Another flat land Turbo

[SumpBuster]

I can't believe all three manufacturers have turned to the 2s to turbo. I can honestly say, I didn't see that coming, like if you asked me 5yrs ago.

I know....like wearing a suicide vest!! Time will tell...

 

[SumpBuster]

Better come standard with large fuel and oil tanks also!

Interesting...now, if I was Poo and Doo marketing, Id demand the new Magical Unicorn Approved Turbo Two Stroke Unobtainable from Walmart Oil. $124.99 a gallon....lol!

 

[SumpBuster]

Because it's a business and Polaris and Doo are appealing to the younger crowd who thinks it isn't cool to own a vehicle more than two years old or a non-current. So they change the ski stance by a half inch or the head light style and call it a G5 instead of G4. You're not cool if you own a G4 anymore dude....
But then there's the next rider who wants a new one, but can't quite afford it so has to settle for a two or three year sled just out of warranty, and the engine throws a rod, and then Polaris and/or Doo sells a new engine and makes more money.
Oh, and did I mention that these guys finance these machines.
Yamaha took the route of engine longevity except it didn't pan out as they had hoped even though there's really nothing wrong with riding a 6 year old sled, it's more of a mature rider thing, but they seem to be lacking in todays market of instant gratification.

True, and Im not much of a fan of anything new. Change the headlights to tiny ugly (trucks) but the issue is supply chain. Parts and pieces coming from who knows where and can be garbage. Some engine builders are very wary rebuilding old stuff with anything but new old original equipment. Camshafts are junk today in many new cars/trucks. No quality control. But hey..look at my fancy dashboard and space command pop up screen!!! lol

 

[74Nitro]

True, and Im not much of a fan of anything new. Change the headlights to tiny ugly (trucks) but the issue is supply chain. Parts and pieces coming from who knows where and can be garbage. Some engine builders are very wary rebuilding old stuff with anything but new old original equipment. Camshafts are junk today in many new cars/trucks. No quality control. But hey..look at my fancy dashboard and space command pop up screen!!! lol

Oh I know, my wife has a ford edge with the touch screen to run the radio and climate in cab. For crying out loud have you ever tried to figure out how to run the radio on that enormous touch screen or adjust the climate in the cab while driving. You may as well be texting and driving it's so distracting. I just want to change the f***in station or turn it up a bit...good grief, give me a button and a dial. My Dad has the new ford limited F-150, you'd think it would be EASIER to change the radio or climate than my simple 2011 F-150 XLT XTR.
It isn't!

 

[SumpBuster]

Oh I know, my wife has a ford edge with the touch screen to run the radio and climate in cab. For crying out loud have you ever tried to figure out how to run the radio on that enormous touch screen or adjust the climate in the cab while driving. You may as well be texting and driving it's so distracting. I just want to change the f***in station or turn it up a bit...good grief, give me a button and a dial. My Dad has the new ford limited F-150, you'd think it would be EASIER to change the radio or climate than my simple 2011 F-150 XLT XTR.
It isn't!

My son had a brand new 2018 Silverado. Rear rotors must have been made from silly putty. Never seen such grooved, rotted garbage in a few years, then at 60,000 miles started issues with cylinder deactivation. In any case, he used my rusty 1995 Ram 318 extended cab 8 foot box, for 3 months and got 15 mpg. Best going to work, same roads, for years with the high tech junk and tiny box...was 17. Big whoop. And the old ram starts up at -19f. Its almost as old as he is!!
Maybe the poo and doo turbos will still be running in 28 years! Id bet the 998 might...

 

[sideshowBob]

Being an aviation guy who loves technology I have been in a funk with my X-TX LE since Ski Doo's release of the 850 Turbo with the "ICE" water meth injection ect. to the point I almost pulled the trigger on an order on one yesterday.
Well today I took my Winder out for a blast and actually beat on it a bit which I normally don't do...I ran the 300 tune and did some launches, I even activated the launch control, speed runs ect. It was a good day as I have renewed my love of the Winder so status quoe for me for now.
Unlike DMC Turbo I only got 122 on the GPS today. I guess I am not worthy...LOL...but I am running a 1.75" x 141" track.

 

[74Nitro]

Being an aviation guy who loves technology I have been in a funk with my X-TX LE since Ski Doo's release of the 850 Turbo with the "ICE" water meth injection ect. to the point I almost pulled the trigger on an order on one yesterday.
Well today I took my Winder out for a blast and actually beat on it a bit which I normally don't do...I ran the 300 tune and did some launches, I even activated the launch control, speed runs ect. It was a good day as I have renewed my love of the Winder so status quoe for me for now.
Unlike DMC Turbo I only got 122 on the GPS today. I guess I am not worthy...LOL...but I am running a 1.75" x 141" track.

I've got good news for you Bob.
You can put meth on your Winder if you like.

 

[74Nitro]

I've got good news for you Bob.
You can put meth on your Winder if you like.

Just spray some in like Kris Hoyt here at 5:19. Or wait, maybe that's ether....

 

[STAIN]

I actually rode an 850 boost for @ 25 miles on the trail Friday. If you told me it was just an 850, I would have believed it. It did seem to pull a little better on top, but I made no wide-open lake style runs, only mid to higher speed trail riding.
Typical Polaris handling that I have experienced on all the 850's I have ridden, which is to say a TON of body roll. I have ridden probably 6 different 850's and I just can't get used to the amount of body roll in that chassis compared to a Pro-cross, especially at higher speeds. They feel like they want to flop over, very unnerving after coming from a Sidewinder that stays extremely flat through the corners. Maybe that can be dialed out?
It seemed to turn well.
I will say that the sled rode extremely well. The owner has put some time into dialing in the suspension and it shows. It is probably one of the best riding sleds I have ever ridden. It just made the 6–18-inch bumps disappear. It worked well in the few bigger bumps I encountered but truthfully the trails where pretty good that day.
It was colder to ride for sure compared to my Winder, but he also had a lower windshield.
Handwarmers seemed like you could make them HOT if needed, more so than my Sidewinder.
Seat and ergo's where fine. It seemed easy to move around on if needed.
It had the big screen which seemed nice although I didn't spend a ton of time looking at it. I would need more time with it to see its full potential. I did like the way you can lay the gauges out. I can see where it would come in handy with the Ride command and GPS. It is certainly far better than their standard gauge which is the size of a playing card and almost unreadable.
It seems like you may have to be more "active" on the sled to make it work up to its potential.
In the end, I could ride one all day but it really isn't my "cup of tea."
I try to be honest with myself when riding other brands, but I am admittingly a hater of ALL things Polaris, so you can take this short review with that in mind.

 

[stevewithOCD]

No, this injection system is a fixed system designed as a safety mechanism. Any attempt to raise power on it probably won't work and it will have to be replaced for any serious power addition.

You keep making up scenarios, how is this for a scenario. The 998 is capable of a lot more power than most are adding with a simple flash and a few minutes with a T50 torx. A fully built 998 sled is simply going to destroy that 850 no matter what you do or how much you spend on it. There are lots of other motor/sled combos out there that will as well. Who cares. For $650.00 I will drop in a bunch of not only accessible but usable power and simply never have to think about reliability, and I will improve fuel economy at the same time. All while carrying at max a couple of ounces of boostane for those sketchy gas stations on a saddlebag trip. Are you going to carry a couple of gallons of water/meth for a saddlebag trip because I guarantee if you try to keep up with the winders on big groomers you are going to need it. You probably would go through a tank just trying to cross my lake.

I am not knocking the 850 turbo, it is what it is and I am sure its a riot for local riding. Keep in mind that this setup, minus the water/meth has been available for awhile in the mountain segment. The tunes are out and will quickly get remapped for the flatland machine, +45HP on 100 octane, let me do a quick survey of places I can buy 100 octane..

What I don't understand is why you spend most of your time here trying to convince the folks on the 4s forums why they should be worried about 2s machines. Most of us have owned 2s and don't care to anymore. I own a 4s for a reason, and its not just about power.

I think the best part of this statement is that some of us just don't WANT a 2-stroke.
I really like the 850's
The POO handles AMAZING
The DOO is years ahead of CAT

BUTTTTT............a huge BUTTTTTT
I DON'T WANT a TWO STROKE!!!!!!!!!

Keep in mind I ride BIG Northern Trails & Back-Pack across Maine & Canada regularly.
My buds are flat out SICK of adding now $70 a gallon for oil.
Keep it local on shorter rides, off trail, bumps..................................I'd be 850 ALL da WAY

 

[Trailleader]

I agree with this
I think if I rode long long straights I would ride my 998
I like the 2 stroke for where we ride.
It’s also a challenge to be on something new and try to make it run like the current fast sleds
so to me that also is fun

 

[stevewithOCD]

I agree with your logic on this

 

[number1kyster]

I actually rode an 850 boost for @ 25 miles on the trail Friday. If you told me it was just an 850, I would have believed it. It did seem to pull a little better on top, but I made no wide-open lake style runs, only mid to higher speed trail riding.
Typical Polaris handling that I have experienced on all the 850's I have ridden, which is to say a TON of body roll. I have ridden probably 6 different 850's and I just can't get used to the amount of body roll in that chassis compared to a Pro-cross, especially at higher speeds. They feel like they want to flop over, very unnerving after coming from a Sidewinder that stays extremely flat through the corners. Maybe that can be dialed out?
It seemed to turn well.
I will say that the sled rode extremely well. The owner has put some time into dialing in the suspension and it shows. It is probably one of the best riding sleds I have ever ridden. It just made the 6–18-inch bumps disappear. It worked well in the few bigger bumps I encountered but truthfully the trails where pretty good that day.
It was colder to ride for sure compared to my Winder, but he also had a lower windshield.
Handwarmers seemed like you could make them HOT if needed, more so than my Sidewinder.
Seat and ergo's where fine. It seemed easy to move around on if needed.
It had the big screen which seemed nice although I didn't spend a ton of time looking at it. I would need more time with it to see its full potential. I did like the way you can lay the gauges out. I can see where it would come in handy with the Ride command and GPS. It is certainly far better than their standard gauge which is the size of a playing card and almost unreadable.
It seems like you may have to be more "active" on the sled to make it work up to its potential.
In the end, I could ride one all day but it really isn't my "cup of tea."
I try to be honest with myself when riding other brands, but I am admittingly a hater of ALL things Polaris, so you can take this short review with that in mind.

Were you on a VR1, XCR, or Assault?