apex VS attack

[ironviper]

no doubt with the carbides, i never left the stock 3 inchers on any of my sleds, not even for a mile..and i havent owned a 136 yet. not to mention i like to buy aftermarket skis also, with the simmon flex skis their should be no problem..and the whole purpose, for me anyways, is not to be on the trail all the time anyhow, the more offtrail the better..

 

[Junior]

in my experience the 136 is a great choice for long straightaways and relativly straight trails, top end speed, the difference is negligable, and the 136 remains much more stable, the 136 also (in my experience) has just as much, if not alittle more ability to "rail" thru a high speed sweeper, a little inside ski lift, but lean in and forward as you're coming thru the corner (we're talking 70+mph sweepers here, not tight trail corners) I find the 136 more controlable at that speed than the 121, which tries to slip/slide around.

however, when you get into the real tight and windy's (bush, anything below 40mph comfortable cruise) the longer "wheelbase" of the 136 starts to become an issue, push thru the corners isn't a big big big deal if you have the right carbides and the proper riding style, but it's longer stance means a wider turning radius, which can start to get precarious, means later turn in points, and as such, less corner speed. meaning you have to have more power to make that up on the exit of the corner, and be able to put that power down without the #*$&@ end stepping out.

some other things to consider are:

why do the 136's ride better?

they're more able to bridge the bumps

what makes the bumps?

the majority of sleds coming down at similar speeds, will leave a bump when they impact, since the majority of sleds are 121's, those gaps are spaced such that the average length track, at the average speed is gonna get it worst, (since they're the ones that did the most damage)

how does this affect the new shift towards longer tracks?

as the average footprint gets larger, the bump spacing will change such that the longer tracks will get beat up on more.



just some things to think about, and some personal experience.

for the turning side, it's similar to wheelbase differences in auto or motorcycle racing. longer wheelbase = more stability at speed, at the expense of quick cornering

traction, a 136 will have more traction potential forsure, but how many TRUE drag sleds do you see that are 136? it's starting to come into fashion yes, but is that because of traction? or because of the wheelie factor? the 121's seem to have NOOoooo shortage of traction when they're doing backflips on the starting line.

my $0.02

 

[Buckeye]

The Apex will only win on a long straight trail or a lake and not by much and it will take it some time to do it. At least that's what it was like on my Warrior. I don't expect the Attak to be any different. The Attak will out accellerate the Apex from corner to corner.
IMHO the Attak is the perfect sled. Go look at the other guys 06's, they are all going with longer skids, what's that tell you :ORC

If I want the matched hook up, I'll add the studs and still have the advantage of cornering quicker. Much quicker!

I've owned both zoom and again beg to differ. Why do you think the turbo guys go with longer skids?? Traction :ORC

As far as cornering goes, The ony trails I couldn't keep with my buddy on his little 600 was a really tight (hair pin curves) trail where only the non studded sleds could slide their #*$&@'s around.

I had the 136 and couldn't wait to go back down. Traction is a matter of studding and the shorter skid out performs the 136" in the corners. In fairness I only went to a 128" but the improved ride is worth the extra 7".

And the ride is MUCH better than that Proaction pos. BBY is right the turbo is fine with the 121.

 

[Yama-Crazy]

Its not a "fashion" :? at all...136"skids just works better because its is harder to do wheelies ---so of course it hooks up and goes! When your front end is in the air in a wheelie as a 121" track does tend to do alot so is your track! thus >> traction is lost. So yes thats why racers are using 136"...front end stays down=MORE traction. I dont care if you put wheelie bars on a 121 ...a 136" still would win!

 

[Yama-Crazy]

Its not a "fashion" :? at all...136"skids just works better because its is harder to do wheelies ---so of course it hooks up and goes! When your front end is in the air in a wheelie as a 121" track does tend to do alot so is your track! thus >> traction is lost. So yes thats why racers are using 136"...front end stays down=MORE traction. I dont care if you put wheelie bars on a 121 ...a 136" still would win!

 

[NOS-PRO]

I took LB's & MrSled's advice. More track is a good thing, and have you ever seen a 121 REV? I was one of the test riders for the Attak, and it felt comfortable, and the forward positioning, made it feel like a 121 in the corners. Had 121 all my life, and will definetly enjoy this one.

 

[SledderSteve]

... and have you ever seen a 121 REV?

There are actually quite a number of 121 REV models but we'll let you slide on this one buddy. NOT!

 

[Mighty]

I took LB's & MrSled's advice. More track is a good thing, and have you ever seen a 121 REV? I was one of the test riders for the Attak, and it felt comfortable, and the forward positioning, made it feel like a 121 in the corners. Had 121 all my life, and will definetly enjoy this one.

Maybe it's too early but I don't understand the post :? Are you going 136 or 121?

 

[NOS-PRO]

Attak 136, sorry, Steve, I didn't know they had 121 Rev's, Thought they were 128. OOPS!

 

[Superman]

I always liked to look at the ride like a boat. Waves come in all shapes and sizes and longer boats handle the waves better. And when it comes to handling shorter is better. An Apex with a 108" or 114" would handle even better yet.

 

[Mighty]

Attak 136, sorry, Steve, I didn't know they had 121 Rev's, Thought they were 128. OOPS!

Makes sense now. For the record, 128's are used in the AC line, f-cat and sabercat series. Their track is also an inch narrower.

PS Good choice of sleds

 

[BlueByYou2000]

Attak 136, sorry, Steve, I didn't know they had 121 Rev's, Thought they were 128. OOPS!

Makes sense now. For the record, 128's are used in the AC line, f-cat and sabercat series. Their track is also an inch narrower.

PS Good choice of sleds

F-Cats are 128x13.5

So they are actually 1.5" narrower...BBY

 

[jimmie d]

Polaris I believe is also going to a 128" on some of their sleds this year. The M10 modelas I believe.

Jim

 

[98Slim]

OK, coming off a 2003 RX1. I got a chance to ride the 2005 and 2006's this past weekend in Florence NY. They let us take the 2005's for a "decent" trail ride maybe 7 miles round trip. But the trail was pretty bad by Sunday. As for the 2005's I spent my time on the Vector, Rage and RX1. As you know the Rage has the longer track (136). It was a night and day difference in the bump handling between the Rage and Vector. In fact the Rage was better across the board. Much more stable, much more comfortable, than the Vector and the RX1. I played with the mono shock adjustment on the RX1, although I could seat of the pants feel a difference going from full soft to hard....it still didn't handle as well as the Rage. FYI, the yamaha rep that led our pack of riders was ridnig pretty hard and I was 2nd in line so lets just say we weren't babying thes units.


Pls note the temps were in the 40's and the trails were sloopy so this is just one example.

They only let the 2006's out for three passes around a very smalle field ...which sucked. I can say they are totally different! But can''t pass judgement one way or the other...wasn't fair to evaulate in the little seat time I had.

I will be going for the Attack based on my Rage ride....cause where I ride the trails have bumps!

I too have been trying to decide APEX or Attack.....

 

[Mighty]

I will be going for the Attack based on my Rage ride....cause where I ride the trails have bumps!

That was my deciding factor also, bumps :ORC