Ruckus
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So I was out on an EPIC ride with my 2 brothers yesterday and some other guys. One has a Crossfire7 and the other a Rev800xp. Now, I've ridden the Cat and it feels like it was made 20 years ago so I won't comment any more on that machine. The Rev however was something I was looking forward to trying out. Now these machines have incredible power so I'm not even going to go there for obvious reasons. The Doo was a tank! I rode it down a rough trail for about 2 miles and I wanted mine back. The suspension is short and it bottomed easily, it felt very heavy (although lighter than the Phazer) and it felt like I was lifting weights with my thumb because the flapper was sooooo heavy (2 big 40mm carbs). Anyways, I couldn't keep up to my brother who was on my Phazer and after about 20 km finally caught him and asked for mine back but he wouldn't and took off again. Finally when we got to the big hills he wanted his back (for obvious reasons) but he said: "Man, that thing is a LOT better than I was expecting, the suspension is amazing". He loved it, except for the power, he said it was one of the best sleds he had ever ridden. He has been riding snowmobiles for 35 years, is a BRP and AC mechanic (and Yamaha H8TR) and currently owns a Revxp and a Cat F7. For him to say that is a HUGE deal. Anyways, thought I'd share.
7 skulls
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I had pretty much the same reaction to the xps on a demo ride when they first came out. Couldn't understand how a sled that was 100lbs lighter than my RS nytro could feel/ride heavier in the front. With the rest of the sled being so light/thin, ski-doo's weight balance is very forward bias compared to yamaha's mass centered over the drivers.
That said, the rear susp. on the demos we rode was excellent, best part about the sleds. Still a doo though.
That said, the rear susp. on the demos we rode was excellent, best part about the sleds. Still a doo though.
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Same experience when my biddy and i switched sleds for a bit. Hes got one of those 800 adrenaline's and would not give me my phazer back untill we got to the rail bed.
If only the phazer had a bit more power. Like 100hp would make a lot of people buy a great sled.
If only the phazer had a bit more power. Like 100hp would make a lot of people buy a great sled.
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Personally I'd like to see a lower power version to get the smaller kids into a new yamaha instead of either restricting a Phazer or having to get them something old and outdated. I think the Nytro fills the space for the high HP phazer.
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The nytro just feels much heavier. I really like the phazer feel but could do with a bit more hp.
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I can't see them squeezing much more out of the Phazer engine to keep the weight down. Still amazes me how people have an 80HP sled and say it needs to be better. I guess growing up on 16 Elan's and a 300ET gives me a differet perspective.
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I know it is a balancing act. Could add more weight to give more power but then it is heavier. I gota admit when i get to the rail beds i get bored when i ride the phazer, a little more hp can never hurt. It shines once you get to the twisty trails.
7 skulls
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The phazer has a alot of steel in its contruction as a cost savings (I believe the cross bracing under the engine is all steel). Yamaha left some weight on the table. A 100-110hp "phazer" at the current weight or less is certainly possible and with nytro style bodywork, it would be something I'd be really interested in.
snofreak500
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Ive herd of guys working the phazer engine porting and different things and no power adders simply engine work fuel and whatnot and pushing 100 - 110 so i think its entirely possible
scb
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Interesting thoughts on the Rev XP. My buddy that I ride with has an XP 800. He used to have a ZR800, I always felt my knees were hitting my chin on that thing, but the XP is close to the awesome ergos of the Phazer. We have swapped machines many times and I have a similar impression to yours. The seat is softer and feels more plush on the jitters, but I like the feel of mine better in the bigger bumps. On the twisty trails mine feels light and easily steers around the tight curves with little effort. I find the XP is more tiring. The steering feels heavy and it doesn't seem to corner quite as well and the thottle is heavy. All in all more work to keep up. The power however is immense and there is no point in comparing, but on tight trails the Phazer does no feel slow. After trying the Phazer, he is now trying to figure out what suspension changes he can make to make it "lighter" feeling like the Phazer. He has not been able to lose me on the tight trails. The Phazer, as I have it, seems to have a nice balance with front and rear traction. I do sometimes wish for a bit more oomph. I am going to try a 17 tooth gear with my Ulmer clutch kit and maybe an air box mod.
snofreak500
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100-110 HP btwsnofreak500 said:
I just have to agree. I've been testing my uncles Lynx Rave 800 '09. Compared to the Phazer, it's different. I like the PPS way of dealing with bump. But damn, it feels like a tank. Still 5kg lighter than the Pz. I didn't tell him how bad I thought about his sled, just hopped on my Pz and smiled like never before.
As a pointer, the sled never gets better than the rider. Last time we were out he managed to plant his 2 times, while the Pz just kept on crawling. He has a 1.5" ripsaw and I still have the 1"..
As a pointer, the sled never gets better than the rider. Last time we were out he managed to plant his 2 times, while the Pz just kept on crawling. He has a 1.5" ripsaw and I still have the 1"..
phazer_boy
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I don't think you could change the shocks and make a XP feel ligth.
it's all in the chassie!
it's all in the chassie!
So true.
The 2-strokes and 4-strokes are quite different. Since we have to carry around a heavier engine, Yamaha has made the chassie etc a lot lighter to keep the weight down. Ie, lifting the Rave 800 in the rear it is heavier, no doubt about it. Even if we have an exhaust there.
I believe that is what makes people complain of the Nytro, not that it's a lot heavier than a freeride etc, but a lot of the weight is in the engine making the mass center of gravity is different than the 2-strokes.
The 2-strokes and 4-strokes are quite different. Since we have to carry around a heavier engine, Yamaha has made the chassie etc a lot lighter to keep the weight down. Ie, lifting the Rave 800 in the rear it is heavier, no doubt about it. Even if we have an exhaust there.
I believe that is what makes people complain of the Nytro, not that it's a lot heavier than a freeride etc, but a lot of the weight is in the engine making the mass center of gravity is different than the 2-strokes.
