SideHogger
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I have same exact sled, stock settings on front suspension, stock rubbers, curve skis,i 6 inch curve carbide runners, front of rear suspension spring turned stiffer, (not sure measurement but have it written down ) Compression #2, rear torsion on soft, rear shock on #2 compression, rear blocks out and last ride on tight snow and icy conditions, 15 degrees out and sled rails around corners! Has some inside ski lift but still playing with adjustments. I weigh 230 lbs with all gear on. Like I have said in some other posts, my friend with eps apex loved it. So to me thats saying something.Just my 2 cents.LTX-Le with plain 6" carbides from Curve. First i must state it was very icy hard pack & i left stock suspension settings so i won't judge until i make ALL the adjustments from this website. I may try Slim Jim's or Snowtrackers next, but it will be 3 weeks until i go again. Until then i will adjust & re-adjust in this "monkey brain" head of mine over & over & over until i explode...
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100% agree....in the doo world many many have tried curves and they are just too heavy, need those Popeye arms..lolView attachment 125588
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After having Curve Ski's a couple years back and now trying a set of C&A's I don't think easy steering on the sidewinder is achievable with either.
You just have to much center keel. Not saying you can't make them better with less ski pressure but with the same amount of pressure as a pilot ski you are going to have much more steering effort.
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Well, in my youth I used to lift alot of weights but I know I haven't gotten stronger with my old age. This sled turns easy and doesn't dart half as much as my old turbo with 7.5 inch shaper bars on stock skis and handles 10 times better.
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I love mine with the slim jims. I don't know why people are saying they have heavy steering. They might if you don't adjust the suspension for them but my 66 yo mom rides with the same setup and loves it. Light steering and no push.
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I can assure you Shapers DO NOT work on a SLT ski on these winders.. Just to much steering effort especially on hard pack. Good carbides in other applications.Well, in my youth I used to lift alot of weights but I know I haven't gotten stronger with my old age. This sled turns easy and doesn't dart half as much as my old turbo with 7.5 inch shaper bars on stock skis and handles 10 times better.
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Curve XS with 6" Slim Jim's and couldn't be happier, no darting, good steering, good cornering. My RTX SE is setup like the dealer delivered it and steering effort is a perfect compromise depending on snow conditions.
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Good to hear guys are having success with aftermarket skis.. I really think its the set up.. And with a touch more ski weight on these sleds it may take a little tweaking with stuff... After all this is a new sled
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Agree, as with most any after market ski, if you dial things in they're good. I actually don't hate the Tuners like some do but thought I'd try a ski I hadn't. On very icy hard pack I could have dialed in more ski pressure since my steering effort was almost too light, but managed by just loading the skis right before going into a hard turn.Good to hear guys are having success with aftermarket skis.. I really think its the set up.. And with a touch more ski weight on these sleds it may take a little tweaking with stuff... After all this is a new sled
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Well i weigh 165 lbs. and sit far up front so i'm already at a disadvantage with traction. I work out twice a week (don't forget i'm semi-single so i still have to impress the chicks) so hard steering was not the issue. DARTING was the issue. I'm going to take ski pressure off & move handlebars back so i sit back farther. I've got a list of "tricks" to try & will bring up Slim Jims & 5.7 pilots next trip. I WILL be happily railing corners before the end of snow....or i'll jump on my Apex which was eating everybody's #*$&@ including that 850...I have same exact sled, stock settings on front suspension, stock rubbers, curve skis,i 6 inch curve carbide runners, front of rear suspension spring turned stiffer, (not sure measurement but have it written down ) Compression #2, rear torsion on soft, rear shock on #2 compression, rear blocks out and last ride on tight snow and icy conditions, 15 degrees out and sled rails around corners! Has some inside ski lift but still playing with adjustments. I weigh 230 lbs with all gear on. Like I have said in some other posts, my friend with eps apex loved it. So to me thats saying something.Just my 2 cents.
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If you are darting that bad you need to toe the front end out a little. I'm betting you are in 1/8 to 1/4 from what you are describing. You want to be out an 1/8 with the curves. That's with a bungee across the ski loops.Well i weigh 165 lbs. and sit far up front so i'm already at a disadvantage with traction. I work out twice a week (don't forget i'm semi-single so i still have to impress the chicks) so hard steering was not the issue. DARTING was the issue. I'm going to take ski pressure off & move handlebars back so i sit back farther. I've got a list of "tricks" to try & will bring up Slim Jims & 5.7 pilots next trip. I WILL be happily railing corners before the end of snow....or i'll jump on my Apex which was eating everybody's #*$&@ including that 850...
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Well i weigh 165 lbs. and sit far up front so i'm already at a disadvantage with traction. I work out twice a week (don't forget i'm semi-single so i still have to impress the chicks) so hard steering was not the issue. DARTING was the issue. I'm going to take ski pressure off & move handlebars back so i sit back farther. I've got a list of "tricks" to try & will bring up Slim Jims & 5.7 pilots next trip. I WILL be happily railing corners before the end of snow....or i'll jump on my Apex which was eating everybody's #*$&@ including that 850...
Yeah darting really sucks, it wears you out, hurts your back and after a short while it can ruin what should of been a nice ride. I decided many years ago to trade pushing in corners for straight line tracking. Whatever it takes for any sled because I enjoy speed, and it ain't safe if it doesn't track straight. So good luck and I hope you find that sweet spot in between, without eating #*$&@ that is, yuck!
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My toe out was 1/4'' between skis. It was frozen hard pack & although everyone was darting, mine was DANGEROUS. I was praying nobody before me went off trail or my sled would have followed those tracks. I soiled me britches many times. (good thing i use Monkey Butt Powder). Again, this was the worst case scenario with an improperly set-up sled for these skis. If the NEXT trip goes this bad, I will be on here BITCHIN'...or crying
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If we didnt bitch or cry we'd have nothing to write about! lol Seriously, play with you suspension as much as possible. I'm thinking at only 165lbs, you MIGHT have to revalve your rear shock to get some more transfer. My son who is now on my 800 procross weighs almost 100lbs less than me and we had to revalve and made all the difference in the world for him. But now it sucks when I ride it because its to soft for me now. By the way, last time I weighed 165 I was a Freshman in high school over 30 yrs ago! LmaoMy toe out was 1/4'' between skis. It was frozen hard pack & although everyone was darting, mine was DANGEROUS. I was praying nobody before me went off trail or my sled would have followed those tracks. I soiled me britches many times. (good thing i use Monkey Butt Powder). Again, this was the worst case scenario with an improperly set-up sled for these skis. If the NEXT trip goes this bad, I will be on here BITCHIN'...or crying
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Well i eat 6 to 8 meals a day so i'm not starving. lol. Plus my weight, or lack of, helps me on the top end. This could be a contributing factor to my issues. Some guys put these skis on, make 2 adjustments & they are golden. Well maybe some have my issues so i'll report back soon...
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My toe out was 1/4'' between skis. It was frozen hard pack & although everyone was darting, mine was DANGEROUS. I was praying nobody before me went off trail or my sled would have followed those tracks. I soiled me britches many times. (good thing i use Monkey Butt Powder). Again, this was the worst case scenario with an improperly set-up sled for these skis. If the NEXT trip goes this bad, I will be on here BITCHIN'...or crying
Try setting your toe out 1 ski at a time using a long straight edge against the track and aligning each ski off of the track, not just doing the distance between the skis w/the bungee. So each ski would be 1/8 if you want 1/4 toe out. I do know curve used to recommend 3/8 toe out for the procross. The only time I had extreme darting was last year when I had my dealer adjust my skis. The thing was as you describe all over the place. Come to find out the toe out measuring across the skis was not bad but 1 ski was turned in way more then the other ski. Once I corrected it it was again good to go on my viper. So far on the winder I have a little darting here and there. Nothing extreme. But mind you I follow 2 other procross sleds with curve skis on them. So for me I am bound to have a bit of hunting with 2 sets of like tracks in front of me. I have not had a chance to stiffen the center shock to take a bit of pressure off the skis. Plus there is no snow here right now. All it's done the past week is rain... My steering is not light, but not crazy hard either and I'm running 8" triple points with ski savers. My 73 yr old Father is running the same setup with 6" and the only thing he has complained about is the steering is a little heavy. Though he was used to his viper with the super light steering tuners on it. I really would guess your extreme darting is some ski alignment issue. Good Luck sorting it out.
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