I called Yamaha

[fxnytrortxkid]

It has an off air pressure in the air box, what it does is equalize the air pressure back to normal and let's the sensors reset so that it will start.

As far as thinking there's millions of issues. Aside from things that can't be helped this hot start and the reverse servo recall are the only issues I've heard. Don't don't be afraid of the viper as a ecu flash update will be out for next years sleds and and the reverse servo issues already been solved. Unless there's other "common" problems that are related to yamaha/cat product I am unsure of.... Let's give them a break everything has issues., look at the ones the pro cross had last year before Yamaha had fixed them. U could be blowing chain cases and belts every 500 miles and viewing it as acceptable.

 

[drumz11]

I agree I never use the kill switch.

But don't you think that's crazy! I mean 12,000+ dollars and can't use the kill switch??

The wording on that never said to not use the kill switch. It said to use the key first. As far as I know, this was quoted from a magazine and I don't kniw if it's any official word from Yamaha. Regardless, out if habit, I hit the kill switch first 99% of the time I shut off the sled. We do lots of quick breaks and hot starts and I have only run into the hot start issue once in 1300 miles. Gave it a little gas and it fired right up. Been lucky I guess!

 

[yukon yamaha]

I use to have a hot start problem . my solution is to turn the kill switch on until the gauge lights up, then turn the machine over right away don't let the pump cycle!
It has been working great for me.

 

[stingray719]

There is a "fix" to get it to start but not prevent it... If it happens to you... You turn the key to on position (do not try an start it) then hold the throttle to atleast half throttle or little more (this releases air build up in air box) count to 3 Mississippi's while holding throttle there ... Now release throttle an turn key to off, then start your sled. Yamaha is aware of the problem, how an why it happens but they are trying to finalize a solution for it. But this will get your sled to start.

This worked on my buddies 7000 saturday. Instantly started once we followed that procedure. If it makes you all feel better it goes to show the Cats have that curse also.

2 of my 3 Phazers had this sometimes hot start issue and the procedure above is what I used. Cannondale did your Phazer ever do this?

 

[Apex1958]

I called to express my concerns about the belt issue I have used 3 belts in 2300 miles. Now I have noticed that after 500 or 600 hundred miles I would start to lose performance. Top end and hitting the rev-limiter I could feel the belt slip RPMS all over the place. For me personally I will take care of the problem myself with the advice I got off this site …THIS SITE IS AMSUME… AND MY DEALER.

I called because I feel that Yamaha should recognize the problem and I realize that not everyone knows there is a problem because they don’t demand optimum performance out of the sled I DO. Also I feel for the people that after spending $12,000 don’t have extra money to spend on clutching or new belts.

The call was pleasant until the PRODUCT SPECIALIST got on the phone and said I had to prove there is an issue. Then I wanted to choke the guy, called my dealer and he got on the phone. As I am writing this post I got a call from the product specialist with a whole different attitude. They are now saying they will get to the reason for the problem. I did call them back after I was upset with the product specialist and expressed how Skippy DOOs are looking better and better every day. All the ladies that first answered the phone were very pleasant to talk to and just take information. They actually felt for my displeasure and stated that with all the YAMAH’S that I have purchased that she would have an area REP contact me. They did get back to me fast I have to say so stay tuned.

 

[mtotguy]

OK here's my response to a lot of the replys: 1) Yes I got the dealer involve right away. I don't blame him. He's no more successful with Yamaha than I am. 2) I didn't expect Bradley to hand over a bunch of money to me. But I sure expected him to be a little more respectful and understanding of my issue. Refusing to let me talk to a supervisor was particularly irritating. 3) I know all the starting tricks. I've been on this forum since last April. Sometimes they work. Sometimes they don't. The day I was describing none of them did. 4) I really like this sled and I am positive Yamaha will come out with a fix. But damn it, I paid a lot of money for this sled ($11K is a lot of money to me). I want it to work correctly. If you bought a new car and just occasionally it wouldn't start would you accept "we'll get back with you on that" as an answer. Yamaha could offer me something as cheesy as a discount on assessories and I'd feel a little better.
OK I'm over it for a while!

 

[Apex1958]

MTOTGUY Bradley is the guy I talk to also but I have to say it took some doing but he did come around on the end.

 

[yamyfreak]

The article came from OSM MAG States:: If you've experienced trouble starting your Viper after its warmed up, always use the key switch to turn the sled on or off. Unlike the key, the kill switch will not reset the ECU, meaning the sled will attempt to start using the last know calibrations it has stored, not the current conditions of the sled after sitting.

 

[stingray719]

The article came from OSM MAG States:: If you've experienced trouble starting your Viper after its warmed up, always use the key switch to turn the sled on or off. Unlike the key, the kill switch will not reset the ECU, meaning the sled will attempt to start using the last know calibrations it has stored, not the current conditions of the sled after sitting.

That makes sense. We never use the kill switch on the Viper because you can walk off and forget and leave the power on.

 

[YamahaTim]

I tried not to use it cause I was scared it wouldn't start.

 

[cannondale27]

There is a "fix" to get it to start but not prevent it... If it happens to you... You turn the key to on position (do not try an start it) then hold the throttle to atleast half throttle or little more (this releases air build up in air box) count to 3 Mississippi's while holding throttle there ... Now release throttle an turn key to off, then start your sled. Yamaha is aware of the problem, how an why it happens but they are trying to finalize a solution for it. But this will get your sled to start.

This worked on my buddies 7000 saturday. Instantly started once we followed that procedure. If it makes you all feel better it goes to show the Cats have that curse also.

2 of my 3 Phazers had this sometimes hot start issue and the procedure above is what I used. Cannondale did your Phazer ever do this?

Once warm my Phazer always has started very quickly. So no. My Viper has only had a long crank once but if it ever doesnt fire within a couple turns I always have started the crank procedure over since it is just not sensible to keep cranking something that should start right away. Always has started second try. Except one time when it also threw the crank spike code.

 

[Farm dog]

All I ever use is the key and it still happened to me.

 

[Thumper1]

Same here always key

 

[Racer357]

The hot start issue happens almost every time I start the sled after it warms up. the best way for me to get it to start is to stay on the key. when it pops keep cranking until its running. it works about every time. if you let off the key when it pops like you do with the apex it will take a lot to get it running. Then there is the clutch issue, I don't think I should have to send my clutches in for machining and $480.00 in new parts to get them to work properly. And the chain case issue, at this point you say WTF. after being in the shop on every trip to the UP I ask about an extended warranty, 4 years for a grand ! coolant leaks, gas gauge not working head lights that are just not what you would expect from a high end sled, clutch and belt problems, chain case explosions and it don't want to start. still love to ride this sled and would like to see Yamaha give up an extended warranty to make me feel better about all of the things that are not what we expect.

 

[yamafart]

Best thing to do is to insure it and then dump it off at the dealer with a what to fix list for the off season, find out who your area rep is and make sure he is aware of what you have done. You would think they want better representation than this. Overall the sled is a winner , it just seems to be a total hands off approach once you buy their product. I don't want to know about the 2015 till I am happy bout the 2014 and we all should stay after them about these issues or nobody will benefit. I think we all had the same idea about it being the perfect sled and I think there is still hope if they at least announce the updates they have coming for these along with a safety recall on the muffler. If they don't they won't be getting any referrals from me