New 2017 Yamaha Sleds...

[TRUE BLUE SINCE 1980]

found this on the net, seems late for an official release date.

The 26th annual SNOWMOBILE EXPO will take place March 11 -13th, 2016. Check back for more information and schedules.

The West Yellowstone’s 26th annual SNOWMOBILE EXPO is where Arctic Cat, Ski-Doo, and Yamaha will unveil their new 2017 snowmobile lines to the public at the same location, for the first time

 

[Sasquatch]

13,500 RPM? I know it spins higher but are you sure it spins that high??? And obviously I realize its not a direct swap but I'm sure 75% of the components could be the same. My point is that Yamaha has the technology from other divisions to make it happen but they choose not to.
And about the exhaust, have you seen the short exhausts on sport bikes now days? Remember, Yamaha got rid their undertail dual exhaust on the R1 in 2015 and went back to the conventional side mount so to say it needs it coming out the back is simply not true and even if they did need the length, there would be all kinds of room up front with the engine spun around 180....ever see under the hood of a 1200 Doo??? Talk about wide open spaces in the nose of the sled! Also Cat uses this spot for their intercooler because there is so much room.

Exhaust out the back of the bike has nothing to do with the layout of the sled exhaust. If you followed that example the pipe would be coming out where your ankle is!

You could turn the motor around and point the header out the front. Adding more weight ahead of the motor instead of to the rear as it is now. You would have to lean the motor over backwards to make this work or suffer more forward weight, redesign the crankcase and oil scavenging to the bottom of the motor. Muffler on the right side, oil tank to the front or use the Cat stupidity of a chaincase/oil reservoir that you check with a sight glass! After my mechanic buddy told me about the ordeal to check his and his thoughts about it I agree with him, the down sides outweigh the pluses! Make a removable heat exchanger for filter access or use a remote filter up to the front somewhere (we need more hoses to rub right). Then the fact that the injectors and airbox now go right through the jackshaft steering shaft area is a concern. Air box would interfere with the fuel tank also but you could make that smaller. Course you could do like Skidoo did and make a restrictive single throttle body log manifold that lacks throttle response and curbs hp. Wait both the Doo and Catamaha exhaust curbs hp.

All this redesign and the only plus is a larger gear reducer to get the same hp you could get with the current design with a larger gear reducer. No I don't think Yamaha chooses not to make the crossplane at 180 hp happen as you say in the manner you want. Rather I think they thought long and hard about the RX design and chose it to be that way because it met the design parameters of high horsepower that lives for 50,000 miles, better breathing in and out and the least weight forward possible. Now did they over build the chassis and make is heavier then it needed to be? Maybe they did but id rather that and have a sled that lasts under abuse then one that does not.

Two things come to mind first thing is the Apex is only a few mph slower the Turbo cat and it weighs weighs more and has 20hp less. Second is it has less under-hood heat doesn't melt the plastic is gentle on belts. Me I'd just be happy with a stroke and port to 180. Continue to give me my stable rocket as it is even and borrow some of Cats suspension tech!

 

[vodoo child]

Exhaust out the back of the bike has nothing to do with the layout of the sled exhaust. If you followed that example the pipe would be coming out where your ankle is!

You could turn the motor around and point the header out the front. Adding more weight ahead of the motor instead of to the rear as it is now. You would have to lean the motor over backwards to make this work or suffer more forward weight, redesign the crankcase and oil scavenging to the bottom of the motor. Muffler on the right side, oil tank to the front or use the Cat stupidity of a chaincase/oil reservoir that you check with a sight glass! After my mechanic buddy told me about the ordeal to check his and his thoughts about it I agree with him, the down sides outweigh the pluses! Make a removable heat exchanger for filter access or use a remote filter up to the front somewhere (we need more hoses to rub right). Then the fact that the injectors and airbox now go right through the jackshaft steering shaft area is a concern. Air box would interfere with the fuel tank also but you could make that smaller. Course you could do like Skidoo did and make a restrictive single throttle body log manifold that lacks throttle response and curbs hp. Wait both the Doo and Catamaha exhaust curbs hp.

All this redesign and the only plus is a larger gear reducer to get the same hp you could get with the current design with a larger gear reducer. No I don't think Yamaha chooses not to make the crossplane at 180 hp happen as you say in the manner you want. Rather I think they thought long and hard about the RX design and chose it to be that way because it met the design parameters of high horsepower that lives for 50,000 miles, better breathing in and out and the least weight forward possible. Now did they over build the chassis and make is heavier then it needed to be? Maybe they did but id rather that and have a sled that lasts under abuse then one that does not.

Two things come to mind first thing is the Apex is only a few mph slower the Turbo cat and it weighs weighs more and has 20hp less. Second is it has less under-hood heat doesn't melt the plastic is gentle on belts. Me I'd just be happy with a stroke and port to 180. Continue to give me my stable rocket as it is even and borrow some of Cats suspension tech!

All good points Sasquatch, also if I may, a higher seat, ditch the titanium exhaust stainless is fine, no more gimmick's I.E. performance dampers and are you listening Yamaha ""A F%*@ING 10 GALLON GAS TANK"".

 

[DGZRT]

They should have just bought the FAST Blade patents and improved on them from there!

 

[smoothride]

They should have just bought the FAST Blade patents and improved on them from there!

If you haven't noticed you better you at the Polaris Rush.

 

[NBSledHead]

Anyone know what day Yamaha releases info on the 2017s? Usually it's mid to late February, but I think that due to the poor start of the season, they'll likely delay until sometime in March.

My rep in Atlantic Canada is telling his dealers week of Jan 21!!

 

[journeyman]

My rep in Atlantic Canada is telling his dealers week of Jan 21!!

Boy if it's that early I believe it"s another BNG year. Something would have leaked by now if there was a new machine.

 

[gytr done]

All good points Sasquatch, also if I may, a higher seat, ditch the titanium exhaust stainless is fine, no more gimmick's I.E. performance dampers and are you listening Yamaha ""A F%*@ING 10 GALLON GAS TANK"".

X3, and I thought I was the only 1 to have a good laugh at the, as Voodoo put it. IE. Performance dampers. LOL. I smell some more BS or as Yamaha puts it in there words " Business Strategy ".
Does ever new Yamaha sled come with these or can you opt out of these?, or does Yamaha put them on there and then dings you for the price?.
Anybody. : )

 

[gytr done]

At $17,000 + CDN Yamaha needs to put more value and tech in there snowmobiles, there are seriously undervalued for the price Yamaha are asking. I can buy 2 Nissan Micra's for the price of 1 Apex. How about adding GPS, ABS, HEATED SEAT, MARKER LIGHTS, LEDS, ETC. There is far more value in a $8900 Nissan then there is in a Yamaha snowmobile. Perhaps in the future : )

 

[rtx moose]

couple more weeks till"THE NEW SIDEWINDER COMES OUT"

 

[yama_rider]

Exhaust out the back of the bike has nothing to do with the layout of the sled exhaust. If you followed that example the pipe would be coming out where your ankle is!

You could turn the motor around and point the header out the front. Adding more weight ahead of the motor instead of to the rear as it is now. You would have to lean the motor over backwards to make this work or suffer more forward weight, redesign the crankcase and oil scavenging to the bottom of the motor. Muffler on the right side, oil tank to the front or use the Cat stupidity of a chaincase/oil reservoir that you check with a sight glass! After my mechanic buddy told me about the ordeal to check his and his thoughts about it I agree with him, the down sides outweigh the pluses! Make a removable heat exchanger for filter access or use a remote filter up to the front somewhere (we need more hoses to rub right). Then the fact that the injectors and airbox now go right through the jackshaft steering shaft area is a concern. Air box would interfere with the fuel tank also but you could make that smaller. Course you could do like Skidoo did and make a restrictive single throttle body log manifold that lacks throttle response and curbs hp. Wait both the Doo and Catamaha exhaust curbs hp.

All this redesign and the only plus is a larger gear reducer to get the same hp you could get with the current design with a larger gear reducer. No I don't think Yamaha chooses not to make the crossplane at 180 hp happen as you say in the manner you want. Rather I think they thought long and hard about the RX design and chose it to be that way because it met the design parameters of high horsepower that lives for 50,000 miles, better breathing in and out and the least weight forward possible. Now did they over build the chassis and make is heavier then it needed to be? Maybe they did but id rather that and have a sled that lasts under abuse then one that does not.

Two things come to mind first thing is the Apex is only a few mph slower the Turbo cat and it weighs weighs more and has 20hp less. Second is it has less under-hood heat doesn't melt the plastic is gentle on belts. Me I'd just be happy with a stroke and port to 180. Continue to give me my stable rocket as it is even and borrow some of Cats suspension tech!

The point I was trying to make about the under seat exhaust about the R1 is that it had a lot of complaints from the owners (heat) and it added a certain amount of bulkiness to the bike. I used to be the proud owner of one too. Obviously heat is not an issue for us but ice and snow build up is, as a result of heat. Everybody on here hates the current exhaust except for you. Strangely enough, this was one of the reasons why I loved the looks of the Apex but it is just not practical. However, you do make a lot of good points about the disadvantages with the motor being spun around 180. And stroking the current engine would provide more torque and possibly even bring the revs down enough to eliminate the gear reducer between the crank and clutch.

 

[thor452]

I love the exhaust the way it is now that it is maintenance free on the older one yes it sucked having to change donuts and y pipes but that seems to be a thing of the past for them now and i would rather the exhaust be behind me too.

 

[4StrokeAddict]

Talk about a restriction! I would say if you can design the huge gear reduction and get that installed so your belt will live, your going to want the rear better breathing exhaust to maintain the hp.

Not to rehash old disagreements, because both sides have been explored in depth! But, the numbers don't show that. The Viper is making the same horse power as the Nytro despite its curved exhaust. Do bends effect HP, Yes; drastically, not by a long shot. If its with in 1-2 HP, route it where it must for good ergonomics and balance. I'll be willing to bet that the lack of HP difference is due to the viper's exhaust being less restrictive overall; muffler would be my target for inspection if I were to test...

As far as ergonomics I don't want to sit higher and or further ahead and damit I want a barn door size windshield as well. LOL!

Sales show you are in the minority. Not saying the Apex is not a great sled (we own 2), just that its not what the crowd expects or is looking for in a modern chassis. The good news is you will have lots of apexes to choose from for a long time since they go so long. For a large portion if not the majority of the community, we feel alienated by Yamaha. Viper sales prove this and filled a huge gap in Yamaha's lineup! Give me a Viper Ergos in a light weight chassis with an Apex motor and I'm sold! Or give me a 2015 viper engine that is YAMAHA turboed in a light weight viper ergo chassis and I'm also happy.

 

[lockburner2000]

New Apex Spy Photo!! I came across this on another site.

In addition to a longer and wider track, power steering, and performance dampeners, they added a roll bar, heated seat, drink warmer, WiFi, auto parallel parking, a Jake Brake, and Class IV Tow Rating ... and it only gained a mere half ton.

 

[superfan75]

That thing is huge !!