New 2017 Yamaha Sleds...

[TechMaples]

I know a guy, who knows a fella, who used to walk another guys dog, that is a Yamaha engineer. He still didn't know anything about the 2017 Yamaha sleds. All resources exhausted. Sorry fellas.

 

[biffdotorg]

The eps is on the pure Yamaha models. I think it's something you will see comeing from Japan not from trf

Exactly, that's the point. I don't want a TRF Yamaha, I already have one. I want a true blue with EPS if I ever choose to replace my Apex

But don't be too sure about a future yamacat not getting eps, this is not exclusive to Yamaha sleds. I have it in my Wildcat. So AC has the technology.

 

[Yamacat21]

I don't know why everybody is so hung up on "true blue" when the Viper finally gave you a Yamaha that can handle worth a damn out of the crate without spending 2500 on the front end to get it to steer and a decent rider forward design, sure the apex handles ok if you don't mind sitting down all day.

 

[biffdotorg]

Dead horse beaten over and over in these threads. We all have been voicing our wants. Since I own one of each, I can say with all honesty, each is good at some things and great at others. They are too different rides.

It's just my opinion that Yamaha could have produced a sled similar to the Viper, but with much better fit/finish without the Arctic Cat flaws. Like I said, I like the viper and what it does. It's just not up to par in comparison to true blue.

Was that bad, no. As you said, we got a good sled and the drawbacks are easily looked past for all the good things. But I will never replace my Apex with one, or a derivative of one. I hope they prove me wrong. As a viper with EPS would be a tough one to ignore, as it is one of the few flaws I cannot overlook.

 

[Heritage]

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I don't know why everybody is so hung up on "true blue" when the Viper finally gave you a Yamaha that can handle worth a damn out of the crate without spending 2500 on the front end to get it to steer and a decent rider forward design, sure the apex handles ok if you don't mind sitting down all day.

I have zero concern with the yamaha front end with eps...it handles just fine...and I happen to like the apex riding position...my complaint is the rear skid...I owned two cats in the last 10 years...my crossfire was good...but my f1000 was a turd...sure the cats rode great...but the quality was crap...they rattled, vibrated, smoked, and sucked gas...I was constantly tightening bolts...and while the new cat chassis is better it's still not up snuff...not yamaha quality...not even close...the apex is a quality machine...it could ride better, and if it lost a little weight, I don't think anyone would be upset...the viper is a fine looking machine, and handles well...but I prefer the apex...it's really a unique machine, thst has a loyal following

 

[super1c]

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I have zero concern with the yamaha front end with eps...it handles just fine...and I happen to like the apex riding position...my complaint is the rear skid...I owned two cats in the last 10 years...my crossfire was good...but my f1000 was a turd...sure the cats rode great...but the quality was crap...they rattled, vibrated, smoked, and sucked gas...I was constantly tightening bolts...and while the new cat chassis is better it's still not up snuff...not yamaha quality...not even close...the apex is a quality machine...it could ride better, and if it lost a little weight, I don't think anyone would be upset...the viper is a fine looking machine, and handles well...but I prefer the apex...it's really a unique machine, thst has a loyal following

I beg to differ on quality and fit and finish. The 2016 I just bought is spot on. I went over every seam, curve, panel and more. Everything was tight and lined up. First impression on quality the same. Granted it only has 170 MI at this point but not a rattle or odd noise to speak off. Starter spot on warm and sitting in negative temps for the night. Not even a hesitation. Valving of suspension was awesome, soaked up big woops and hard chatter. The tunner 3's were amazing. Light steering that didn't push or lift in corners. My wife and I are comming off razors with 8" tripple points. Those turn on a dime but you look like Popeye at the end of the day! Not the tunner 3's, no power steering needed with these. Not any darting to speak of in soft or hard pack snow. To me this Sled is spot on! Love the colors and great job on fit and finish. I'm sure some of this is due to an awesome dealer and his set up as well. Can't wait to buy another!

 

[Heritage]

well....yamaha better come with something....because the rumor is ski-doo has an 850 etec, and or 1200 turbo...Mach z coming....if those rumors are true...I can see many folks jumping ship...especially if yamaha does bng, or comes out with a stupid (yes I said stupid) snow bike!!

 

[Heritage]

I beg to differ on quality and fit and finish. The 2016 I just bought is spot on. I went over every seam, curve, panel and more. Everything was tight and lined up. First impression on quality the same. Granted it only has 170 MI at this point but not a rattle or odd noise to speak off. Starter spot on warm and sitting in negative temps for the night. Not even a hesitation. Valving of suspension was awesome, soaked up big woops and hard chatter. The runner 3's were amazing. Light steering that didn't push or lift in corners. My wife and I are comming off razors with 8" tripple points. Those turn on a dime but you look like Popeye at the end of the day! Not the runner 3's, no power steering needed with these. Not any darting to speak of in soft or hard pack snow. To me this Sled is spot on! Love the colors and great job on fit and finish. I'm sure some of this is due to an awesome dealer and his set up as well. Can't wait to buy another!

Now...imagine that sled with eps, better clutching, and better efi calibration (more performance)...then you'd really have something...I'm glad you like them..I certainly don't hate them...I like the yamaha- cat partnership....but I believe they could do so much more and so much better if the designed a sled from the ground up...together...not just slap an engine in an existing chassis...that really doesn't fit well, and has a high center of gravity (compared to the cat two strokes).....if you think your viper rides well (and many people like them)...try a cat...their 7000 series ride even better...like I said...the clutching and efi could be calibrated better for a bit more performance, and I think a few more people would convert...but it's tough to give up the apex...it's such a wicked machine...and built so well....it's proven itself...the viper has not...not yet anyways.

 

[Buran]

We are in need of a new video.
Little longer, with a little more snow, more sound and a little more machines!

 

[Bpatch50]

well....yamaha better come with something....because the rumor is ski-doo has an 850 etec, and or 1200 turbo...Mach z coming....if those rumors are true...I can see many folks jumping ship...especially if yamaha does bng, or comes out with a stupid (yes I said stupid) snow bike!!

You're probably going to see a bigger 2s but I would expect to see SD's biggest changes in the chassis. My bigger concern is that Yami does what everyone else continues to do and play catch the leader. If you're always chasing, you're never going to have a better product. I really hope Yami starts to move in their own direction with new innovative products.

 

[biffdotorg]

View attachment 116022 well....yamaha better come with something....because the rumor is ski-doo has an 850 etec, and or 1200 turbo...Mach z coming....if those rumors are true...I can see many folks jumping ship...especially if yamaha does bng, or comes out with a stupid (yes I said stupid) snow bike!!

That's close, but still a bad photoshop. That track and skid are way out of proportion. 3.5-4" lug? Ha!

And a summit would never be setup with that bar angle.

 

[cacsrx1]

That's close, but still a bad photoshop. That track and skid are way out of proportion. 3.5-4" lug? Ha!

And a summit would never be setup with that bar angle.

Apparently you have never been around a 15 or 16 T3......

 

[Yamacat21]

if you think your viper rides well (and many people like them)...try a cat...their 7000 series ride even better.

How can you even say that? They are identical twins other than clutching, which in my opinion Yamaha has done much better at, so are you telling me that a different set of clutches improves ride characteristics. I don't think so.

 

[Sg3540]

i have to ask, if everyone loves the apex, why do people keep asking for an update/replacement? i know they are great sleds but it seems after nearly 60 pages people are saying.."i want something brand new!!...just like my apex".

 

[RIGIDONE]

new doo i believe..