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Replacing 1.25" ripsaw any good alternatives?

From some good tuners, the weight of the hacksaw compared to ripsaw is 3-5 mph on top end. Bluebyyou2000 reported 123mph on the gun with 192 studs with the ripsaw on ice. If all you doo is run ice, then I would by the 3/4" camoplast fully clipped and run 1" studs. But if you only run ice a little, then I would run the hacksaw with 120 1.175 woody's megabytes. It will hookup and go. Some may tell you more, but I feel with that much penetration, you will still get good traction and have very good top end on hard packed snow conditions. I'm not sure why everyone picks on the ripsaw track. I have 1500 miles on mine it looks great still.
 

I only have 750 miles on mine, but our trails are crap, our snow is crap, and our lakes are crap! I probably ride in conditions that some wouldn't, but my track looks fine so far. I am just now studding it, and after reading alot of posts about the track I can see why I haven't gotten very good traction on icy and rough, crappy trails! I can't justify putting much more money into my sled for as often as I get to ride it (Iowa's crap for snow!) and I will wait until it is shot to do something with it. At least we're not riding "throw away sleds"!
Nate
 
I put a camoplast 9834H on my attak and love it. never rode it with the ripsaw on so can't really give any comparisons. still have the ripsaw track if you are interseted in it, has 1500 miles on it and looks perfect.
 
Like I said before I have hit 139 on the speedo with the Hacksaw and 144 studs. Just this past weekend I hit 133 on the ice with about 1/2 to 1" of snow and 35 degrees. I do not know what this is on radar but the 139 must be about 122-124 area. I also have about 250 miles of lake racing on this track. It looks like new.
 
Ive owned 3 ripsaw tracks.. and i think they are awsome.. Most of my friends cannot believe how hard my sled hooks out of the hole compared to theres..

My sled has 2760 miles on the ripsaw and looks like NEW..(160+studs)

My brothers Rx warrior has over 4500 miles on it (has one tore out stud and a few torn lugs but still going strong)

I also have a friend with a XC600 who just swithced to a Ripsaw..

It might not be the best ICE racing track or the best off trail track.. but it is definitly one of the best Trail tracks out there..

Everyone has a right to an opinion and here is mine and im sticking too it..
 
baknblk said:
I have been researching the 1 inch tracks as well and come have come up with 3 finalists. The predator, hacksaw, durasport 1000. I have called camoplast 3 different times and each time have been told the hacksaw is fastest. Which is different from what machzed was told and is making my decision even harder. With the speeds machzed is getting it sure backs up the predator and Hauck is getting high speeds with the durasport 1000. I have not yet heard of anyone getting high speeds with the hacksaw. I really like the ripsaw but want more top speed so that is my reason for the 1 inch paddle . IMO you will lose a few sled lengths in some conditions with the shorter paddle but for extra speed I do not care. MY 02 srx has a .875, my 98 srx has a .92 and on hard packed road the 02 is faster but on the trail the 98 will give it a hard time. IMO I don't think there is a wrong choice between the 3.
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talk to anyone at camoplast or any guys who radar or run lakes..the ripsaw and hacksaw are both same durometer...they are SOFT gummy rubber,...if you dont beleive me then just grab the lugs on both of them,then grab the lug on a predator...you can see for yourself which is harder...

the hacksaw is faster then ripsaw for sure....but its design is for trails..its an obvious decision when you compare them side by side...hacksaw is a real cut up pattern,and obvious not as good at rolling as a predator...

ive got a camo brochure right here,it has hack and rip on section of trail tracks...and predator in section of lake tracks...if you call camoplast and ask what durometer the predators are VS hack and rip...you will see.

I spoke to a engineer a few yrs back for over an hour,he was the guy who taught me about durometer and its play in top speeds....at that time,the predator was hardest one on market...then rip and hack came out..and you can be sure they are both softer ...

some will say hack will be faster due to weight...it is light no doubt....but it will not roll the same at hi speeds,since its softer....

anyone here can put whatever track on they like..many love ripsaw...as i stated i think its junk...and wouldnt ever run one,or ever run a hacksaw which IMO is just a shorter ripsaw....they are just too soft!...period!...they rip lugs off prematurely...you will see stud pull thrus earlier and also LOSE top speed....

this has been proven time and time again...predator is faster....so if speed is important,then the choice is clear.

just my opinion guys...but as you all know I like to state all the facts As ive known them for 25+yrs in this game of speed...

dan
 
Dan, Until you switched tracks are on the same day I am not convinced. I still think the hacksaw is faster.
 
I can not think of a reason why a harder rubber would be any faster. If we were talking about a solid rubber tire on a vehicle then obviously a harder rubber would have less rolling resistance. On a sled especially on ice your studs are hitting the ice and your track sits on your sliders. I think that the softer rubber would actually make the bend around the drivers and wheels easier than a hard rubber. What has been one of the biggest improvements in tracks over the last 10 years? They are a lot thinner and in turn spin around your suspension easier.
 
I am not that educated about tracks but i think what machzed is saying about harder is right because the track will not balloon as much as the softer track. My friends have full blown race sleds and the tracks are rock hard and very thin. People with drag sleds try not to have any flex or angles with the track for top speed. Unfortunately I do not think you can compare a track to a car tire for that reason. It sure would be nice if the magazines did testing on tracks and other after market products so we would have even more data.
 
baknblk has got it: balooning is what takes your speed away. Wasted energy in trying to get the track to stay on a specific course while centrifigal force is trying to make it fly outward.

Now that Camo has a 14 wide Hack, it throws another element into it. It is 31lbs clipped every window, which is pretty light, and should be fast 'cause of the clips.

My buddy over on DooTalk has run 128 on the speedo with a 1" 14wide Hack and 120 1.375w/aluminum backers.
The Mach speedo is pretty close, so I'd say that works.
 
I was not comparing car tires to tracks. I was trying to show how not to compare them. As far as balooning durometer has nothing to do with that. It is 100 % track tesion. Drag sleds have harder tracks to support the studs not for all out top speed.
 
I have always loved my Predater 1.25 tracks, just like Machzed said, except I like the 1.25 for off trail stuff. Also, no studs.

Now, here's where I want some input. My 04 Warrior had the 1.25 Ripsaw & it didn't perform as well as I was used to with the Predater. So with low miles, I made the swap. Then I immediately found the positives the ripsaw had. On the trail, cornering was better with the ripsaw. The Predator would slide & grab, which in the turns would cause the inside ski to lift, whne the track bit in. Cranked up the front springs, added 13mm sway bar. Warrior handled better, but it would still slide & grab.

Ripsaw was more controlled in the corners, but i have always liked the predator.

Today, I'm going through my new Attack, haven't run it yet, & sent out the rear shock for revalving. now i'm thinking about the Predator. Being the sled hasn't been run, it's perfect time to remove the track & sell it.

Do those that have an Attack/Apex with the predator & no studs experience the slide & grab inside ski lift like my Warrior did, does the newer sleds just handle better & i was dealing with 1st generation 4 stroke design issues?
 
Charged RTX said:
I was not comparing car tires to tracks. I was trying to show how not to compare them. As far as balooning durometer has nothing to do with that. It is 100 % track tesion. Drag sleds have harder tracks to support the studs not for all out top speed.
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That makes sense , thanks for the info !
 
i have 1200 miles om my ripsaw and have lugs ripped off already i will be changing it over the summer does any one know if the dealer will warr. the track or is that just wear and tear 07 rtx 144 studs
 
I don't think so.I had track come apart on a 98 yamaha and it only had a couple hundred miles.They said it was from riding in low snow conditions.
 
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