Ski-donts 2>4

[mdkuni]

It is still a 100% oil loss system. They are a bunch of liars. What about the fact they will require service many many many times before our 25,000 valve check!! Has anyone else seen the ads where they add a weight stack to the front of the sled to "make it fair to the competition"? Ridicules..

Expensive oil change at the dealer? This can be done very easy by anyone. Even if you did take it to the dealer once for an oil change it is still cheaper then the oil loss system.

 

[Mongo 1]

Which sleds came out with 4 stroke prior to yami launch?

Never mind the countless pre '80s four strokes, Arctic cats Yellowstone special (660), Polaris's Frontier were both released before Yamaha's RX 1. Ski-Doo's V-1000 was released the same year. They were never intended to be performance machines, and the fact two of them were been dropped speaks volumes. Ski-Doo's ad is ridiculous, as other members have noted, durability and cost of operation are not even close, and the last time I checked the Mach Z cost more than the Apex. :ORC

 

[Bakemono]

Its gotta make you wonder, when the day comes that Doo can no longer meet emissions with the SDI and Powertek engines, how much of a hypocrite are they going to look like when they make the switch to 4-strokes?

 

[yammiman]

Do any of you guys relize that the Mach is not (when running correctly) even emmissions compliant - it is an unspoken fact that Doo over revs the Mach from the factory to meet sound and emmission standards - the over rev puts the engine into the rev limiter resulting in pour pefromance - the first couple of years there were small paragraphs in SnoTech on how to re-clutch it and even gave part numbers, all at owners expense - this year they have put out a bulletin to the dealers on re-clutching and some are doing the changes before they leave the dealership meaning once it no longer over revs it is no longer compliant - the only genius I've witnessed from Ski Doo in the last 5 years has been marketing strategy - all of their innovations have been nothing but hype IMO - BTW, this whole over rev/clutch issue was in a post from a dealer over on Doo Talk! - I wonder how the EPA would feel about it?

 

[APEXLIGHTNING]

did any one in ontario notice this add in the new ontario snowmobiler mag? and if you look in the buyers guide in the same issue skidoo wouldent list the weight of any of their snowmibile. not even the miniz. while yamaha on the other hand listed the weight of every sled that they make. if your going to make a statment at least have some proof to back it up.

 

[APEXLIGHTNING]

ok that dident work. but it has a pic of a mxz with weights attatched to the hood sitting beside a rtx. and written above it says "fair play"

 

[Sasquatch]

Which sleds came out with 4 stroke prior to yami launch?

Cat in 2001 660 tripple 50hp. I belive Polaris was 2002 750 twin. Both sled where aimed at the Parks where two smokes where being eliminated.

If you want to go back to the begining the First Doo's in the 60's where fourstrokes.

 

[Sasquatch]

I think the issue here is performance four stroke. The 660 is in no way a performance sled. Neither was the Doo in any shape or form. Just like there were four stroke dirtbikes before Yamaha broke the market with their first PERFORMANCE bike.

Well the issuse is the advertisement and how they portray the four strokes against thier two strokes. They do however leave out how much oil the two strokes use per every oil change of the four.

Performance sled did not come into it. Some have stated that Cat and Doo have just now started to build four strokes after Yamis success. That is not true as Cat and Polaris have built park models before Yami built the RX. Doo offered up a four stroke a few years back and has redesigned a newer version but both are and where park type lets go fishing type sleds. Something that would suit my father to a T. Even the new Phaser is more than he wants or needs.

As a side note Cat and Polaris both build performance four strokes. They may not be up to Yami's level of performance but at 110 to 135hp they are on par or close.

No before you say but Yami builds a better sled I will agree its why I own and ride one.

 

[yamaslob]

Its sad ski-doo needs to make things like this, of course the REV is one of the best trail sleds its light got that race look to it and what not, a vector is 40lbs more, so what your getting a 4 stroke engine no oil use, excellent gas milage considering a well broken in vector will compete rite next to a 600 rev. It just makes me mad that people still are scepitcal about a 4 stroke.

 

[pro116]

ski doo

Maybe ski-doo is paying yamaha back for there 07 video,lol
My buddies 600 sdi gets 21 mpg and dosen't use much oil at all.
Like some one else said they all have there pro's and cons.
I like yamaha but you can't beat the ride of a doo in the moguls.

 

[Mongo 1]

Re: ski doo

Maybe ski-doo is paying yamaha back for there 07 video,lol
My buddies 600 sdi gets 21 mpg and dosen't use much oil at all.
Like some one else said they all have there pro's and cons.
I like yamaha but you can't beat the ride of a doo in the moguls.

21 MPG, uses very little oil, good luck with that one.

 

[jimmie d]

I owned one and the facts shown by PRO 116 are true. Perhaps some posters should learn the facts before they post. Different strokes for different folks. DOO's add only works with the uninformed riders.

Jim

 

[Mongo 1]

If you say so, my friends GTX doesn't get 21 MPG, 16 or 17. Perhaps if you just cruise, and don't cross any lakes, just stating he has never seen 21MPG. Doo's add only works with the uninformed riders?

 

[Yamahnator]

I owned one and the facts shown by PRO 116 are true. Perhaps some posters should learn the facts before they post. Different strokes for different folks. DOO's add only works with the uninformed riders.

Jim

21 mpg? Come now, where is that even remotely factual... I ride Tug Hill a lot. Know what? Revs were chasin me in the moguls most of the season. A lot has to do with the rider and there are riders out there that are faster than me, but while the Apex and Attak aren't "jump" sleds they certainly can be termed "bump" sleds. Especially when set up right. Aftermarkets like Hygear are only going to put them further along.

 

[jimmie d]

Hey BUD a GTX is a monster touring machine which is almost a 3 up sled. Get real. Some of the arguements againbst 2 strokes are as silly and baseless as the Skidoo ads.

Jim