The cast pot metal structural parts need to go away and never come back. The cast bulkhead and steering gate are utterly delicate to the point they need repair more often than a slider change, yet are not designed for rapid replacement.
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4x4 said:
That's pretty funny.
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Sled Dog said:
Ya, that will work!!!! That will surely make them sell more over all of other OEMs. You need to think a little before you type.... Your last sentence would truley be the death for Yamaha performance sleds....
Having the front suspension become un attached lacked funny of any sort.
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I think not! A lot of sledders think of yamaha and heavy in the same thought right now. They also realize the extra weight is because of the quality materials and engineering which creates reliability. If not they can be told that in Yamaha's marketing plan. In a trail seld and if you only ride trails the weight does not really matter that much. Yamaha will not and I am glad they dont sacrifice reliability and quality for weight savings. I think you need to think a little bit before typing posts with bashing remarks.
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Just about every complaint on here is a result of the extra, or unbalanced weight, be it from the sled or ice build up.
I have not heard one complaint about the quality and reliability that extra weight brings with it.
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No offense, but did you hide under a rock or something during the last ten years...???Sled Dog said:
Man, you need to check out the mountain section...
The weight of the chassis is THE single, biggest problem of the Yamaha mountain sleds right now. This is the main factor why people buy other brands. And still, there is absolutely no proof for what you are saying about weight equals quality because there are no more chassis durability problems with any of the mountain models from other brands.
Period.
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Is that really called for? I don't think Sled Dog has a mt sled. Even so, maybe he's right -- if weight was a huge issue for guys then they go to another brand. Obviously the weight is there because Yamaha does not think they can remove it less they sacrifice quality, which they won't risk compromising quality for a lighter weight sled. I know my Attak is heavy. That's why it stays on the trail. But on the trail I could care less if it was 50 pounds less. But I'd be pissed if it kept breaking down due to Yamaha removing some weight in an area where it needed the bulk.
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Man, I just don't think Yamaha (Chris Reid) intended this thread to be a 4 page long gripe session.
Guys: Your avenue to complain is to fill out the survey. it even has a section for input. Do you think it makes a bit of difference to Yamaha what people type here in this thread? I'm thinking no.
Guys: Your avenue to complain is to fill out the survey. it even has a section for input. Do you think it makes a bit of difference to Yamaha what people type here in this thread? I'm thinking no.
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As I said, no offense to Sled Dog, but I certainly do not agree with his statement. No matter if we are talking trail sleds or mountain sleds.
I do not really understand why a lot of people is under the impression that Yamaha needs to be heavy because they are better quality. I would say this is far from true. The summarized experience around here would be that they do not hold up any better than any other brand, no matter if we are talking trail sleds or mountain sleds. Since long, people around here just think that they are heavier for no reason - or more correct, for the wrong reasons, kind of...
I do not really understand why a lot of people is under the impression that Yamaha needs to be heavy because they are better quality. I would say this is far from true. The summarized experience around here would be that they do not hold up any better than any other brand, no matter if we are talking trail sleds or mountain sleds. Since long, people around here just think that they are heavier for no reason - or more correct, for the wrong reasons, kind of...
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Done.Super Sled said:
Now please send the Pro RMK with the Apex engine.
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Not to argue, but I whole heartedly disagree. They are planned by Yamaha to be as heavy as they need to be to be as durable as possible. And yes, I do believe they are more durable than the other 3 brands. Lot's more durable.
In the mountain off trail realm, it's a trade off -- you sacrifice some of that durability for lighter weight. In motors, chassis, etc.
I personally like Yamaha's 4 stroke motors. Yes heavier than Polaris's 800CFI, but the Polaris Pro Ride will outclimb and Yamaha. But then again, they blow up a lot sooner. Same with the 800 etec. A trade off -- heavier but more durable.
Same with chasis components. You remove enough metal you bring down weight. Ski Doo did this with the XP. But now they are brittle and everything breaks easy. You think Nytro has a bulkhead issue? The XP breaks way more often. And forget Polaris's glued together chasis, I'll take rivets any day.
So I respectfully disagree with u -- there is a reason they weigh more.
In the mountain off trail realm, it's a trade off -- you sacrifice some of that durability for lighter weight. In motors, chassis, etc.
I personally like Yamaha's 4 stroke motors. Yes heavier than Polaris's 800CFI, but the Polaris Pro Ride will outclimb and Yamaha. But then again, they blow up a lot sooner. Same with the 800 etec. A trade off -- heavier but more durable.
Same with chasis components. You remove enough metal you bring down weight. Ski Doo did this with the XP. But now they are brittle and everything breaks easy. You think Nytro has a bulkhead issue? The XP breaks way more often. And forget Polaris's glued together chasis, I'll take rivets any day.
So I respectfully disagree with u -- there is a reason they weigh more.
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The weight can be removed without sacrificing quality and reliability. Getting the Japanese engineers to do it is a whole nother story.
Power steering on the Apex is great, but it's like putting a fat chick in a hot prom dress, in the end you've still got a fat chick. Take 75 lbs off of any of Yamaha's current sleds and look at what a difference in sled sales, ride, handling, etc it would bring, you'd be amazed!
Power steering on the Apex is great, but it's like putting a fat chick in a hot prom dress, in the end you've still got a fat chick. Take 75 lbs off of any of Yamaha's current sleds and look at what a difference in sled sales, ride, handling, etc it would bring, you'd be amazed!
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LOL Srxspec!!
I agree when you can change a few things like rear suspension, steel brackets to aluminun, seat, exhaut system and get you 50lbs pretty quick.
Why wont they? Not real sure. They go through the epxense of making magnesium valve and chaincase covers for petes sake to save what 10 onces??
When you look at a benchmark light weight 4cyl sled like the nypex from diamond S, extremely complex and lightweight and they got 100lbs lighter then stock apex mtn. There isnt much more then that left in these bad boys after that.
I agree when you can change a few things like rear suspension, steel brackets to aluminun, seat, exhaut system and get you 50lbs pretty quick.
Why wont they? Not real sure. They go through the epxense of making magnesium valve and chaincase covers for petes sake to save what 10 onces??
When you look at a benchmark light weight 4cyl sled like the nypex from diamond S, extremely complex and lightweight and they got 100lbs lighter then stock apex mtn. There isnt much more then that left in these bad boys after that.
