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Replacing the rear springs on my LTX was a BIG help. Softer torsion springs and a dual rate spring in the center shock completely changed the ride.I went softer springs first then I revalved this year.
 

STAIN said:
Replacing the rear springs on my LTX was a BIG help. Softer torsion springs and a dual rate spring in the center shock completely changed the ride.I went softer springs first then I revalved this year.
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Same here, I dont have dual rate center spring but I have softer torsions and both rear shocks revalved and it is a whole new machine
 
Hygear is building a rear set of shocks for my LTX SE and it includes softer rear torsion springs and dual rate center springs. They will compliment the front Hygears already installed! Can't wait to get the full shock and spring set installed, I have high expectations based on comments here!

Our 2014 LTX DX suspension is much more compliant than the SE and seems faster out of the hole "more transfer" and lifts and holds the ski's about 2-4 inches, up to about 40.
 
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Lighter springs help but make the slow rebound worse. I would do the shocks first with rear being most dramatic if $ is a factor. My stock rear shock is revalved and modded. wish you guys could feel the difference. Is even very noticeable just pushing it down with hand. Yes one hand to compress it! And it rebounds twice as fast as before. I am happy with stock redone shocks and now am trying a Hygear Custom Axis rear shock. So far it feels same as my redone stock shocks. Need snow to test the Axis combo now.

Testmaster I am sure you are going to be pleased since HyGear actually tests their stuff unlike AC/Yamaha it seems.
 
cannondale27 said:
Lighter springs help but make the slow rebound worse. I would do the shocks first with rear being most dramatic if $ is a factor. My stock rear shock is revalved and modded. wish you guys could feel the difference. Is even very noticeable just pushing it down with hand. Yes one hand to compress it! And it rebounds twice as fast as before. I am happy with stock redone shocks and now am trying a Hygear Custom Axis rear shock. So far it feels same as my redone stock shocks. Need snow to test the Axis combo now.

Testmaster I am sure you are going to be pleased since HyGear actually tests their stuff unlike AC/Yamaha it seems.
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I may take the stock shocks off of the SE and send them to Hygear for the works to use on the LTX DX. With the added adjustability of their reservoirs and shock spring modifications I'm hoping I can have the LTX DX working for my wife and my Brother! About 35-40 pounds difference in weight. I'll let Hygear work it out! They seem to have their shist in order!

With the latest order I will have just under $3,000 invested with Hygear. Trying to save those herniated cervical disc's as long as possible without anymore surgery. Cheap at the price. Lost the use of my left arm last March. Surgery got back 50% of the strength in my left hand and most of my arm and chest strength but I can't stand much more of that so I'll invest whatever is necessary to keep my old self riding. LOL!
 
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cannondale27 said:
Lighter springs help but make the slow rebound worse. I would do the shocks first with rear being most dramatic if $ is a factor. My stock rear shock is revalved and modded. wish you guys could feel the difference. Is even very noticeable just pushing it down with hand. Yes one hand to compress it! And it rebounds twice as fast as before. I am happy with stock redone shocks and now am trying a Hygear Custom Axis rear shock. So far it feels same as my redone stock shocks. Need snow to test the Axis combo now.

Testmaster I am sure you are going to be pleased since HyGear actually tests their stuff unlike AC/Yamaha it seems.
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I have to disagree about the springs---the springs were 75% better, the shock revlave just the icing on the cake. Fast rebound is not always a good thing. Sometimes the quick rebound gives the skid a " kick" feeling. In fact when we were revlaving our old ZR sleds we would always slow the rebound down a little bit. I also had to slow down the rebound on the ZX-2 skid that I had in my RX--that rebounded so fast it would kick your #*$&@ off the seat!!!!!
 
Thats why you have to have it just right. Twice as fast may be a over statement thats why I went to a expert for the valving. Sick of trying it myself. I ran the springs. I believe I was the first. Even went another step softer on springs so I have 3 sets. Stock,soft and softer. Was not the solution. I am back to stock springs and it does not kick me off the seat. I may try the softer springs also down the road again. Rebound should be as fast as possible without kicking on consecutive bumps not just one which is all the stock rebound will accomplish. Suspension is somewhat a matter of taste. Everyone has different tastes and needs.
 
Studroes144 said:
Same here, I dont have dual rate center spring but I have softer torsions and both rear shocks revalved and it is a whole new machine
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Who did you use for the revalve? I'm thinking I might send mine out to Pioneer.
 
I have to agree with stain I think the faster rebound will kick you off the seat does anybody have enough snow to really give them a good test in the big moguls. I hope you haven't wasted your money but then again I think a turbo Viper is a waste of money just my opinion They still can't run with the big dog's and can only beat who they could before the turbo
 
No comment on the turbo, I rode around 1500 miles last year with the softer torsion springs but still stock rear shocks/valving. They did give the suspension a little more of a forgiving feel and took some of the harshness out, you could also get a bit more transfer and better hook up, however like cannondale has been saying, they do slow down rebound and that's a bad affect on the stock shocks. Now with both rear shocks revalved and torsion springs on softest the sled is a launching machine, hit a few bump sections last night and no bouncing off the seat at all and I did bottom out the rear skid once which is a first in 2500 miles. Makes me happy cuz now I know it's using the full stroke of the rear suspension. And the gas you can pull the front end up easily on bumps or in a rougher section. I gotta agree with cannondale that the stock torsion springs are just fine, whoever does the valving in the shocks should know that and valve accordingly. When I sent mine out I specified I had the softer springs and he said they would be fine and that the shock valving would be setup accordingly. So yes I think there are some benefits to softer torsion springs, I also think there are benefits to the stock springs, the main one being that they're already in there and you don't have to buy new ones. For anyone thinking of doing this is highly recommend holding off on the torsion springs and just get the shocks revalved, the difference in that alone really gives the sled a whole new ride and gives it some attitude both on and off the trails.
 
I agree that suspension set up is totally subjective. What might be right for me might not be right for you. Just remember this---your spring is your ride, the shock controls the spring. For ME, the spring change made more of a difference than the revlave. The revalve was the topping.
I HOPE a turbo Viper isn;'t a waste of mony!!!! I have turbo for my own grin factor, not racing.
 
Ok I lied I can't resist but to comment on the turbo, I rode my sled stock all last year, I rode a great running viper with bolt on mods a few times last year too, I've also ridden many stock and some decently modded 800s and race many of them already this year and in a 1000' drag race there's none that come within 30 feet of the turbo viper. I've also ridden cat turbos, I'm not gonna talk bad about them cuz they are just a flat out fast machine, but the turbo viper is way more peppy and has a much stronger low to mid range pull that some flashed cat turbos. To say a turbo is a waste of money, well shoot sleds in general are a waste on money, but they sure are fun, and the fun factor is way higher with the turbo
 
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