06 Rage engine failure, engine had 1200 miles on it.

[rlbock]

Dealer got back and said that it had a rod failure, broke through the case, haven't seen the engine since the dealer has had it. Dealer service said it appears to be an oil issue, funny thing was that the dealer did the oil change 600 miles prior and a year ago. Sled has 1200 miles on it, what a shame. Yamaha customer service says no warranty, should have changed oil and filter every 6 months.
Can someone point me to any Yamaha employee on TY so I can discuss this with them to see if they can offer any suggestions?
Oil change required every 6 months seems ridiculous, and that is what Yamaha is saying caused this failure.

 

[actionjack]

Dealer needs to go to bat for you.

 

[smoothride]

didn't they have a recall on those engines. and helping out the customers on those engine problems.

 

[grizztracks]

If it was rod failure because of an oil issue then the rod bearing and wrist pin should show signs of wear due to a lack of oil. I tend to believe it jumped time but without seeing the engine it's tough to say for sure what happened. When a chain tensioner fails and the engine jumps time the pistons collide with valves so there should be several bent valves and possibly damaged pistons which can cause a rod failure. I doubt you'll get any help from Yamaha without having it covered under warranty but Id still pressure them. Good luck.

 

[tphinn]

yes it had something to do with the tensioner on the cam i think

 

[LSXM3]

Wow good luck with this, i would becoming buddy buddy with the service writer and have him go to bat for you!

 

[rlbock]

rage

Wow good luck with this, i would becoming buddy buddy with the service writer and have him go to bat for you!

Good recommendation but it seems the service guy has already decided it was an oil issue and has already told that to Yamaha. Need to see the engine at dealer and see if the timing is still correct, I still think its the timing chain but until I see it myself won't know for sure.

 

[cannondale27]

Start by reading the manual and what Yamaha recommends for oil and filter change intervals.Then show it to your dealer.If he doesnt get you satisfaction then call Yamaha customer service.

 

[rlbock]

oil changes

Heres another interesting fact, the sled was built in 9/05 sold new in 1/09 wonder how many oil chages it had during the first 3+ years.

My guess is none!

 

[09nytro]

I would go pick up sled and get a second apinion at another yamaha dealer . Thats just wrong ...im thinkin cam ten. too

 

[erosled]

Cam chain tensioner failure will NOT cause a rod to go through the case. The engine will quit as soon as the valves get bent by the pistons. Rods are way stronger than valves. If you had a rod go, that engine got noisy before it quit and either lost oil pressure due to some mechanical failure (pump,etc) or because it ran out of oil. My guess is the oil return line wasn't attached to the airbox in the last few miles/minutes before it went boom. Unless there was YES on the machine it's 2 years out of warranty, so there's no reason to expect Yamaha to cover it.

 

[09nytro]

I agree . But i still would get a second apinion on it .

 

[grizztracks]

When the chain jumps time how many more revolutions do you think the engine makes before it completely stops? It's definitely not instantaneously at the RPM's these engines run at. If a piston is severely damaged by the valves a loose rod could easily damage the block. Like I said, without seeing the engine it's tough to say for sure what happened but I definitely would be looking for the reason why it failed which may require getting a second opinion.

 

[darv]

have your dealer talk to yamaha service dept and have the dealer ask if they could send the service tech for that area to look at it. then you have a person who know;s about engines to give you answer. your dealer has a special phone # to call the service guys and request a visit to help in these matters hope this help if you need more information please PM me.

 

[NY AttakGT]

Squeaky wheel gets the grease is all I'm saying! Most of the time I have had to push to get stuff covered under YES warranty, and I don't mean at dealer level.

I don't think an honest assessment can be made w/out engine breakdown and a proper internal inspection. They CAN, however, give their opinion on what caused the problem (bad oil or lack of oil or didn't use the specified OEM oil. See "Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act"). Doesn't mean they are correct in their assumption though. And what I have found, sometimes you have to work to prove the dealer is not correct in their observation and deal with Yamaha directly.

Keep in mind, you said the oil was changed 600 miles ago...which I am assuming means last riding season (winter 2010-11)? So no post or pre-season oil change? If so, they might view that as not properly maintaining the machine. I know I would. As per the service manual, oil should be changed every 2,000 miles OR seasonally. And oil filter changed every 12,000 miles.

BUT...if you are out of warranty, you are out of warranty. All that is moot.