Decisions, decisions-was really looking to go with a Vector ER, but would like the fuel injection, but I don't really need the 150 of the Apex. With the unknown of when the 120 motor will get the efi, I am leaning to the Apex as I plan on keeping the sled for some time.
Insurance costs between the 120 and 150 sleds appears to be minimal.
Will Yamaha offer a taller windscreen for the Apex, as it appears a bit small from the pics?
Is it safe to say 18-19mpg with the Apex is possible?
Can't wait to go to the preview show to check out the new sleds!!
Insurance costs between the 120 and 150 sleds appears to be minimal.
Will Yamaha offer a taller windscreen for the Apex, as it appears a bit small from the pics?
Is it safe to say 18-19mpg with the Apex is possible?
Can't wait to go to the preview show to check out the new sleds!!
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Milage will not increase with the EFI... You will still get only 14-16mpg..average.
Yes im sure yamaha will offer taller windshieldls.. INFACT they already do, if you order one for a standard APEX- you could install it on a APEX GT.
Get the 150
Yes im sure yamaha will offer taller windshieldls.. INFACT they already do, if you order one for a standard APEX- you could install it on a APEX GT.
Get the 150
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Not trying to bust your balls again but how can you make that statement Brian? I averaged 17 with my clutched Warrior and can't see why a FI stock Apex with a 121 can't improve upon that :ORCwelterracer said:
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I'm in the same boat. don't need 150. but want 120 with EFI and rider forward....
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You are coming off a great traditional style handleing sled and the Vector will ride very similar to your Poo. However, with the APEX you can have the best of both worlds. I ride my RX-1 very hard and I average right at 14-15 mpg. Even on the smooth trails of Canada I got no better than 16.5. So if you take it real easy with a real steady throttle you could get 18-19 in perfectly groomed trails. From what I have heard, the 120 motor does get 2 mpg better. IMO, I would definitely get the Apex for all the added advantages of FI, rider forward, and power when you want it.
You are coming off a great traditional style handleing sled and the Vector will ride very similar to your Poo. However, with the APEX you can have the best of both worlds. I ride my RX-1 very hard and I average right at 14-15 mpg. Even on the smooth trails of Canada I got no better than 16.5. So if you take it real easy with a real steady throttle you could get 18-19 in perfectly groomed trails. From what I have heard, the 120 motor does get 2 mpg better. IMO, I would definitely get the Apex for all the added advantages of FI, rider forward, and power when you want it.
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First the 120 doesnt have EFI..
Second not every RX got 17-20mpg like some claim..
I got 18mpg on one tank once.. and over the coarse of 3500miles i averaged 14-16mpg.
Dan how many miles do you log on your 04 RX??
The carbs on the RX were and still are very effiecent ... because they run on vacume not mechanical..
Second not every RX got 17-20mpg like some claim..
I got 18mpg on one tank once.. and over the coarse of 3500miles i averaged 14-16mpg.
Dan how many miles do you log on your 04 RX??
The carbs on the RX were and still are very effiecent ... because they run on vacume not mechanical..
I would say the apex with Fuel injection would get better fuel Milage if I had to guess.
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Under 1k on my Warrior but over 3k on my RX-1.welterracer said:
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What kind of gallons are you guys talking about? I regularly get 22+ miles per imperial gallon.
Thanks
Thanks for the feedback, I am leaning towards an Apex at this time, now what should I consider a good deal on the Apex ER or GT?
Thanks for the feedback, I am leaning towards an Apex at this time, now what should I consider a good deal on the Apex ER or GT?
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The best I have seen is $9,750.00 OTD US on the GT. Figure the ER is about $800.00 less.xcsp said:
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XCSP standard Apex ER comes with taller windsheild and choice of two colors Bl/Wht or Rd with Tribal graphic.Mileage will improve some not only from the use of EFI but through the further weight ruduction(overall)example(efi should be lighter than a rack of carbs)etc. IMO.None of the 120's have EFI, and most likely won't until next year. With proper break-in and no modification(stock) you would easily get those MPG/PL numbers.IMO 
I would also get for more than just the efi!
I would also get for more than just the efi!
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I say go with the Apex. Just because the additional 30 hp is there doesnt mean you always have to use it.
However, wouldnt it be nice to knows it there when you want to use it?
I would go with the Apex simply for the reason of EFI. The Apex will run at its best no matter what the temps are. You wont have to worry about running jetting that is ideal for -20 and then having the sled run way rich on the days when its 25*-30*.
The only sled with EFI I have ever ridden was an '05 900 Fusion. Let me tell you, that sled ran a million times better than my '01 600 XC could ever dream about running.
The Apex is going to be a tough sled to beat.
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However, wouldnt it be nice to knows it there when you want to use it?
I would go with the Apex simply for the reason of EFI. The Apex will run at its best no matter what the temps are. You wont have to worry about running jetting that is ideal for -20 and then having the sled run way rich on the days when its 25*-30*.
The only sled with EFI I have ever ridden was an '05 900 Fusion. Let me tell you, that sled ran a million times better than my '01 600 XC could ever dream about running.
The Apex is going to be a tough sled to beat.
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Hi all. just wanted to add my two cents on the two topics of discussion.
First, I would like to remind everyone of something that was posted on an earlier thread and is still available (I know because I just bought a sled from them). 'Troy City Garage' in Troy, NY has the Apex GT listed online for $9109 + $165 for freight and setup with no tax charged if you live out of state. The Apex ER is listed for $8329 + the $165 also. I was not able to find anyone that could beat that pricing. Follow this link to the pricing page and scroll down to the bottom for 06 Yami prices. www.troycitygarage.com/snowmobiles.htm
Fuel economy on new Apex FI
Let me prefix what I am about to say with this. I am not a mechanical engineer and am simply commenting from my limited knowledge and past experience. At this point, all of our comments are pure speculation because we just don't know until the rubber hits the trail what we're going to get for fuel economy but it's still fun to talk about it so here goes.
I think that there was quite a bit of pressure on Yamaha to make these sleds more responsive out of the hole. From what I've seen, it seem like they addressed this issue by doing a few things.
1. They lightened up the crank by a couple of pounds which I think was the biggest improvement even more so than going to the fuel injection.
2. They lowered the gear ratio by one tooth which I think was done also to address the response out of the hole.
3. They lightened the overall weight of the sled which I believe was done not only for responsiveness but also to be able to market the sled to a larger audience.
I believe that any fuel economy improvements that you would have seen from lighter crank are going to be offset by the new gear ratio.
NOW FOR THE REAL KICK IN THE #*$&@ AND I KNOW THAT MANY IF NOT ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH ME ON THIS ISSUE.
A carburetor when set up properly can be more responsive than fuel injection and also very efficient. I think that the vacuum setup that Yamaha was using on their sleds was extremely efficient. Now I know that the new system will take into account temp and atmospheric pressure but all I can say is I'm not convinced that it will be BETTER than the current system on the RX1. I hope I'm wrong and I'll know soon enough.
Happy Trailing!
First, I would like to remind everyone of something that was posted on an earlier thread and is still available (I know because I just bought a sled from them). 'Troy City Garage' in Troy, NY has the Apex GT listed online for $9109 + $165 for freight and setup with no tax charged if you live out of state. The Apex ER is listed for $8329 + the $165 also. I was not able to find anyone that could beat that pricing. Follow this link to the pricing page and scroll down to the bottom for 06 Yami prices. www.troycitygarage.com/snowmobiles.htm
Fuel economy on new Apex FI
Let me prefix what I am about to say with this. I am not a mechanical engineer and am simply commenting from my limited knowledge and past experience. At this point, all of our comments are pure speculation because we just don't know until the rubber hits the trail what we're going to get for fuel economy but it's still fun to talk about it so here goes.
I think that there was quite a bit of pressure on Yamaha to make these sleds more responsive out of the hole. From what I've seen, it seem like they addressed this issue by doing a few things.
1. They lightened up the crank by a couple of pounds which I think was the biggest improvement even more so than going to the fuel injection.
2. They lowered the gear ratio by one tooth which I think was done also to address the response out of the hole.
3. They lightened the overall weight of the sled which I believe was done not only for responsiveness but also to be able to market the sled to a larger audience.
I believe that any fuel economy improvements that you would have seen from lighter crank are going to be offset by the new gear ratio.
NOW FOR THE REAL KICK IN THE #*$&@ AND I KNOW THAT MANY IF NOT ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH ME ON THIS ISSUE.
A carburetor when set up properly can be more responsive than fuel injection and also very efficient. I think that the vacuum setup that Yamaha was using on their sleds was extremely efficient. Now I know that the new system will take into account temp and atmospheric pressure but all I can say is I'm not convinced that it will be BETTER than the current system on the RX1. I hope I'm wrong and I'll know soon enough.
Happy Trailing!
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