150 or 120?

[rightarm]

Zoom I agree except that I feel that where the efi will help most is(trail riding/ cruising )where carbs work better at on/off application's and the Rx carbs are dramn good the efi will be better.3 years ago Yamaha released the frist performance 4-stroke, and few believed.If anyone can build it and make it better Yamaha can,with the help of websites like this and the people that keep this site going Yamaha has to hear the imput.

 

[Silverbullet]

The prob with carbs are that some days they are better..........but then some days thay ain't close......I think FI will give day to day (and sea level to top of the mountain consistancy)

 

[zoomzoom]

The prob with carbs are that some days they are better..........but then some days thay ain't close......I think FI will give day to day (and sea level to top of the mountain consistancy)

I completely agree with you there!!!

 

[xcsp]

Thanks!

Thanks for the input guys. I'm really leaning towrds the Apex model, now I just need to do a bit of shopping for a decent price-really wasn't planning to spend the $$, but I figure as I plan to keep the sled for a long time, may as well go for it!

 

[MR.HAPPY]

XCSP, Don't send a boy to do a mans job! You won't be unhappy if you go with a 150!

The 120 won't be FI until 08.

Yamaha reps said FI is no more mpg just performance!!!

BR

 

[oiler]

I think for most riders the 120 hp sled is more than enough.
It also has the taller seat and higher handle bars, so rider forward will be automatic.
EFI will be nice but not a must for the price difference.
I had an 03 RX-1, (4800 miles), 04 Warrior, (4200 miles) and now an 05 RX-1.
With the 4-stroke I never had it run any better or any worse on cold or warm days.
They built cars for years with carbs and they didn't run any different in the winter as they did in the summer.
changes in 4-strokes are nothing like 2-strokes when adding EFI.
Everyone is getting to wound up about this efi. Like I said it will be nice not to have to choke, but I personally don't think the fuel milage will go up enough to notice and the performace gain will be noticable but to what extreme?
I just hate to see anyone spend anymore of there hard earned cash on the 150 efi if there riding style calls for the 120 hp class!
I was glad to see they came out with the EFI this year but wasn't jumping up & down because of it.
I think one needs to look at his or her riding style and make the call themselfs. Do you really need 150 HP?
I do alot of high speed river running, so I'm leaning towards the Apex, but if I where to buy a sled for my wife say, I'd go with the Rage or Vector because she would never use the top end speed that the Apex will deliever! So why speed the extra cash.
Just like buying a big SUV if you drive alot back and forth to work and looking for gas milage!
Just my thoughts!

 

[Bakemono]

I think that the Apex will get better milage than the RX-1.
When the auto industry went from carbs to EFI, they gained both power and fuel economy.
Why would sleds be any different?
I would spend the extra money for the 150 if it were me. The Apex will run at its best regardless of how the temps change.
Besides, you might not always NEED 150 hp, but isnt it nice to know its there if you ever wanna use it?
Hebi

 

[jimmie d]

The 4 stroke is not impacted nearly as much by temperature change as a 2 stroke. Rode mine -30 and 30 with no change in jetting or noticeable loss of power.

Within the year a Nytro will be added to my group and guarantee more miles will be put on it than any of the others. Hell a few years ago 120 hp was HIGH PERFORMANCE.

Jim

 

[Swiss Sledder]

I have not rode the 06 models, but here is what I can tell you about the 05 RX-1 vs. the 05 Vector. The Vector handles more like a Viper and is easier to corner than the RX-1 on tight trails. The Vector is sneaky fast and will hang with the RX-1 up to at least 80 mph and even higher depending on snow conditions. The RX-1 pulls harder, but several drag races with Tork indicated the Vector hangs really well against the RX-1. The RX-1 does fell like it pulls harder though. If your trail speed tends to be in the 50-70 mph range, then I would go with the Vector (120hp sled) because you really aren't using the extra hp and just wasting your money.

For mileage, Tork and I shared the gas hose on a bagger trip alternated between fill-ups on who paid. While he took less gas then me, it was never more than .5 gallons. He was getting 16 miles per gallon and I was getting 15.5.

So rather than comparing the horsepower, look more at the trails you typically ride. If they are wide trails with marginal corners, then an 05 RX-1 is better suited. If the trails are mostly tight corners through the woods, then a Vector is the better choice.

Now you need the guys that have ridden the 06 sleds to chime in on handling. I did talk with Nos Pro and he said he blipped the throttle on the GT and it shot forward 10 feet in the parking the lot. That doesn't happen on the RX-1. He said the power on the GT was noticeably higher.

If you going to shell out $9000+ on a sled, upgrading to a taller windshield shouldn't break the bank.

Hope that helps. And I agree with Green on temperature changes. It isn't a factor that you would notice.

 

[xcsp]

Taller seat, bars on Vector?

Oiler mentions the Vector to have a taller seat and handlebars, only on the Nytro if I recall.

Yeah, EFI may not be necessary, but after having a EFI-equipped motorcylce, sure is nice and in the case of the sled for preparing for summer storage and fall start-up, won't have to worry about carb cleaning, clogged jets, etc.

 

[snowbeast]

I say go with the Apex. Just because the additional 30 hp is there doesnt mean you always have to use it.
However, wouldnt it be nice to knows it there when you want to use it?
I would go with the Apex simply for the reason of EFI. The Apex will run at its best no matter what the temps are. You wont have to worry about running jetting that is ideal for -20 and then having the sled run way rich on the days when its 25*-30*.
The only sled with EFI I have ever ridden was an '05 900 Fusion. Let me tell you, that sled ran a million times better than my '01 600 XC could ever dream about running.
The Apex is going to be a tough sled to beat.
Hebi

All i can say is you must have one sick running 600xc my confusion is one sick running thirsty pig and i cant figure out where they can get off calling it cleanfire,it burns so rich and discolores the bottom side panels on my 50th blue/grey its a gas pig i get best 9.5 and mosty 5-6 mpg but you may of been on one of the few good ones lol :ORC

 

[Bakemono]

All i can say is you must have one sick running 600xc my confusion is one sick running thirsty pig and i cant figure out where they can get off calling it cleanfire,it burns so rich and discolores the bottom side panels on my 50th blue/grey its a gas pig i get best 9.5 and mosty 5-6 mpg but you may of been on one of the few good ones lol :ORC

LOL...Ive heard of Fusion getting 8 mpg, your's must have been one of the bad ones. It seems like 50% of them run fairly well and the other 50% are well, not so good...
Believe me, my XC does have some running quality issues but that Fusion did run really nice. Now, dont confuse that with me saying that it was fast or torquey.
To be honest with you, both the Vector and RX-1 I rode ran twice as well as that Fusion did, and they didnt have the advantage of fuel injection. You could tell that they were running waaay rich (it got up to 45* that day).
Cap'n

 

[Tork]

Get the Apex

I own a Vector and it is pretty sweet, it is not nearly as much of a step down from an 05 RX 1 as I was expecting.

The Apex is argueably the greatest leap forward Yamaha has ever made

 

[Convert]

Rather than comparing the horsepower, look more at the trails you typically ride. If they are wide trails with marginal corners, then an 05 RX-1 is better suited. If the trails are mostly tight corners through the woods, then a Vector is the better choice.

Well said Matt i could'nt agree more If you flat out love speed then go with the 150 if you prefer handling in the tight twisty's the Vector GT is the sled for you! the only time the sled is lacking compared to the 150 is when your on a long straight away or on the lake the ease of handling on the vector is considerable it just feels that much lighter. I will say if your a 250lb plus rider you may want to stick with the better power to weight ratio Not knocking the APEX one bit it flat out rocks and will be my next sled but the wife will be getting a Vector so i have something else to play with

 

[Tork]

For once I disagree with Suisse Sledder and Convert. Respectfully so with Convict because he is a moderator who could punish me. LOL
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It might be fair to say the vector has a lighter feel than the 05 RX 1 because of the front end geometry. But the Apex has that now and with the rider forward 'lower polar moment of inertia' the Apex is the ultimate trail sled IMHO.