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Ain’t nothing worse than a dodge!!! The name Alone tells you to stay away from that junk!!
 

This threads been derailed for a while now so I'm going to add my 2 cents, dodge only stayed afloat cause of the Cummings engine and the Mercedes developed hemi engine's but Mercedes bailed on dodge and fiat is debating on doing the same.
Ford is a smart auto maker that didn't ask for a government hand out, Chevy is Chevy, they always have to piss on Ford's parade when Ford has something good going, just like Doo with Yamaha.
 
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Boys, Boys, Boys Yamaha isn't going anywhere! You guys make me laugh! Two stroke, Four stroke or even Six stroke! If the carbs ain't carbing and the clutch ain't clutching we ain't riding!! LOL
 
murdered137 said:
This threads been derailed for a while now so I'm going to add my 2 cents, dodge only stayed afloat cause of the Cummings engine and the Mercedes developed hemi engine's but Mercedes bailed on dodge and fiat is debating on doing the same.
Ford is a smart auto maker that didn't ask for a government hand out, Chevy is Chevy, they always have to piss on Ford's parade when Ford has something good going, just like Doo with Yamaha.
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What I find funny is, you can watch any truck commercial on TV and Chevy is always talking sh!t about Ford but you never see Ford commercials talking sh!t about Chevy's. Ford is very smart and have the best equipment and that's why I own one.
 
Getting back to snowmobiles.....Sasquatch has a point. Sasquatch said if you embrace the partnership and love the chassis, and want a 2-stroke, you have that option...that is, you can buy a Cat! I think that there has been an unintended (at least on Yamaha's part) "side effect" from the AC/Yamaha partnership. Until Yamaha made the AC deal, I never in a million years would have thought of buying a Cat, but the truth is I really love my Viper and the Cat chassis that made it possible. I know of a used, low-mileage, Cat mountain sled for sale at a reasonable price, and I am actually thinking about buying it for my grandson who is crazy about "off-trail" riding.

I wonder how many Yamaha faithful will be swayed by their AC experience with the Viper and Sidewinder chassis, and will end up buying an AC as their next snowmobile? I'll bet Yamaha never thought about that perspective when they made the AC deal.
 
"I'll bet Yamaha never thought about that perspective when they made the AC deal." .......Or they did, and don't care, as long as they're selling engines
 
I have owned a quite a few pure Yamaha sleds during the past forty years (Now I am dating myself). I currently own a 2015 Viper and a 2018 Winder. The suspension IMO is the best I have ever rode on. But that being said I believe the fit and finish is not up to par with the sleds of the past. I think the merger has been great for both sides but would like to see a complete Yamaha sled.
 
mikextx said:
"I'll bet Yamaha never thought about that perspective when they made the AC deal." .......Or they did, and don't care, as long as they're selling engines
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It would be really sad if that is all Yamaha really cares about, but realistically, that is exactly what is happening right now, they are just selling engines to AC, and not making sleds. :dunno:
 
mikextx said:
"I'll bet Yamaha never thought about that perspective when they made the AC deal." .......Or they did, and don't care, as long as they're selling engines
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This is all fine but what happens if the four stroke market declines and the number of engines they sell goes down? Then what? They have nothing to back it up. That's why if they built a 2 stroke then atleast it would keep people with them and not turn them to other brands such as Arctic Cat unless Yamaha gets a percentage of every Cat 4 stroke sold but I bet that doesn't happen.
 
Wannaviper said:
Getting back to snowmobiles.....Sasquatch has a point. Sasquatch said if you embrace the partnership and love the chassis, and want a 2-stroke, you have that option...that is, you can buy a Cat! I think that there has been an unintended (at least on Yamaha's part) "side effect" from the AC/Yamaha partnership. Until Yamaha made the AC deal, I never in a million years would have thought of buying a Cat, but the truth is I really love my Viper and the Cat chassis that made it possible. I know of a used, low-mileage, Cat mountain sled for sale at a reasonable price, and I am actually thinking about buying it for my grandson who is crazy about "off-trail" riding.

I wonder how many Yamaha faithful will be swayed by their AC experience with the Viper and Sidewinder chassis, and will end up buying an AC as their next snowmobile? I'll bet Yamaha never thought about that perspective when they made the AC deal.
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I am one of those faithful that was swayed by AC. I really like the chassis but was tried of trying to muscle a 4 stroke through the woods and up hills all day so I wanted a 2 stroke. The price point was also a huge deal for me and AC has the best prices on sleds hands down.
 
Deeppow16 said:
This is all fine but what happens if the four stroke market declines and the number of engines they sell goes down? Then what? They have nothing to back it up. That's why if they built a 2 stroke then atleast it would keep people with them and not turn them to other brands such as Arctic Cat unless Yamaha gets a percentage of every Cat 4 stroke sold but I bet that doesn't happen.
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This is the very reason BRP and Yamaha decided to standardize on engines that are being used in more than one platform. The use of an engine could decline in any one platform, but they would not lose on their investment in the design of the engine.

Unlike all the money and resources used to design those 600 Ctec and 800 Ctec engines only to be used in sleds (a declining market) or Polaris and their new Patriot 850, only to be used in a snowmobile. How foolish does that business plan look. Why in this world would Yamaha go and develop one to do the same in a market that they are not leading in? And two stroke use in other markets are declining.

BRP on the other hand is building ACE engines being used in watercraft, their motorcycles (Spyder) and ATV/SXS. While Yamaha is doing exactly the same with the 1049 and 998 engines. As much as blue bloods want them to rock a new chassis and a new engine specific to snowmobiles, that's just poor business and it won't happen. Sometimes, not participating in a bad market means we will supply what we are good at to those that want to gamble. Knowing that they can build engines based on supply needed. But will never have to gamble on stock sitting in showrooms at the end of the season. They will sell what they produce each and every year. That's a good business model. It is still business at the end of the day
 
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