2020 Release

[whitedust1]

Yep the Apex engine is all that and then some. I don't think you will ever see it again though!

You have to ask yourself why not? The extra weight of cyclider 4 vs the additional weight and complexity of a turbo in a 3 holer? I would be perfectly happy with the Apex engine in a new lighter platform. The only concern with that combo would be how the new chassis would handle and I would totally embrace the Apex NA engine over any turbo configuration.

 

[T-Bone]

U can make a big deal out of weight , it's great if u are jumping 30' through the air or all out drag racing. But reg trail riders it's not a big deal . I rode a 08 Apex with a tall seat , revalved rear shock and snow trackers . No one I have ridden with can keep up to a 10 year old heavy sled , and still didn't get beat in a drag race against new 2 strokes ( with some tuning,lol) so wouldn't get to hooked on that.

The weight of a sled is independent from the riders ability. Whatever your ability to ride is, it would be better for longer periods of time on a sled that weighed 130 lbs less. To say that no one can catch me on my Apex is irrelevant. Ask somebody that has lost a significant amount of weight 50 -100+ lbs and ask them if being lighter makes everything they do easier. If your Apex weighed 150 lbs less you would be an even faster rider.

 

[Mototown]

I don't disagree, a updated Apex motor ,with a new gone over YamaKitty in the 530-550 lbs range would be quite the weapon.... but I have ridden skidoos & Polaris big twins , the power band is narrow & vibration is kinda irritating after you have ridden the solid feeling on the Apex .

 

[T-Bone]

I disagree. Polaris big twins are terrible. They have no track record of reliability. Give me a four stroke Yamaha any day.

If the Polaris big twins are so terrible, I would think that an engine company that used to manufacture high quality snowmobiles could build a high quality big twin or triple 2-stroke and easily take significant market share away from Polaris since their engines are so bad. Any Maybe even take some from Ski-Doo. Of course they would need to find a company willing to sell them a good handling chassis with a decent suspension to drop the new high quality 2-stroke engine into or develop their own (not a lot of success going this in the past).

 

[stevewithOCD]

WOW!
We have 3.5 different threads going on in one.

1. Lightweight 2-strokes
2. Polaris engines
3. 2020 Yanaha Release
3.5 Eating Cheetos while watching your 401K

1. WEIGHT: I don't believe we NEED lighter sleds on the trails i ride, but if Yamaha wants to tackle the mountain & small twisties segments, then they will NEED a lighter sled. I can name more times then not where my "heavy" stable Apex was much less taxing in the course of the day compared to the twitchy "light" sleds at big speeds where i ride.
2. Polaris had the oldest tech in their engines before this new motor. They were the worst gas mileage & reliable of all the sleds i rode with in the last 10 years. They pushed that Liberty motor to the edge to keep up with the E-tec. Even though this new motor may be a super hot ticket, they NEED to get into the 4-stroke foray to catch DOO!
3. Still have NO clue what Yamaha will do!
3.5 Eating Cheetos as a regular part of your diet can be fattening, makes you think of stressful politics & gets your fingers sticky Orange.

SO EAT OREO's............with Milk! And relax boys. Snow is falling

 

[T-Bone]

I don't disagree, a updated Apex motor ,with a new gone over YamaKitty in the 530-550 lbs range would be quite the weapon.... but I have ridden skidoos & Polaris big twins , the power band is narrow & vibration is kinda irritating after you have ridden the solid feeling on the Apex .

That sled would be the bee's knees.

WOW!
We have 3.5 different threads going on in one.

1. Lightweight 2-strokes
2. Polaris engines
3. 2020 Yanaha Release
3.5 Eating Cheetos while watching your 401K

1. WEIGHT: I don't believe we NEED lighter sleds on the trails i ride, but if Yamaha wants to tackle the mountain & small twisties segments, then they will NEED a lighter sled. I can name more times then not where my "heavy" stable Apex was much less taxing in the course of the day compared to the twitchy "light" sleds at big speeds where i ride.
2. Polaris had the oldest tech in their engines before this new motor. They were the worst gas mileage & reliable of all the sleds i rode with in the last 10 years. They pushed that Liberty motor to the edge to keep up with the E-tec. Even though this new motor may be a super hot ticket, they NEED to get into the 4-stroke foray to catch DOO!
3. Still have NO clue what Yamaha will do!
3.5 Eating Cheetos as a regular part of your diet can be fattening, makes you think of stressful politics & gets your fingers sticky Orange.

SO EAT OREO's............with Milk! And relax boys. Snow is falling

1. It’s not a matter of which one (2 or 4, light or heavy) is better, it’s about giving the consumer options for the 2020 release. If you want a heavy trail sled, Yamaha has that covered. If you want a sled to ride off-trail you’re going elsewhere which is not good for Yamaha.
2. A four-stroke option would be great for them to offer and would give the consumer another option.
3. Some claim to know what Yamaha will do in 2020. I’m with you. We still have no idea.
3.5. An OREO is like a Viper. A Double Stuff OREO is like a Sidewinder. More of what makes an OREO so good.

 

[Clyder6R]

Bumped into the local yammi rep the other day. He didn't say it exactly, but what i understood was yamaha was going to spring order only. He didn't comment on much else, said he is still holding out hope for yamaha.

 

[Wannaviper]

WOW!
We have 3.5 different threads going on in one.

1. Lightweight 2-strokes
2. Polaris engines
3. 2020 Yanaha Release
3.5 Eating Cheetos while watching your 401K

1. WEIGHT: I don't believe we NEED lighter sleds on the trails i ride, but if Yamaha wants to tackle the mountain & small twisties segments, then they will NEED a lighter sled. I can name more times then not where my "heavy" stable Apex was much less taxing in the course of the day compared to the twitchy "light" sleds at big speeds where i ride.
2. Polaris had the oldest tech in their engines before this new motor. They were the worst gas mileage & reliable of all the sleds i rode with in the last 10 years. They pushed that Liberty motor to the edge to keep up with the E-tec. Even though this new motor may be a super hot ticket, they NEED to get into the 4-stroke foray to catch DOO!
3. Still have NO clue what Yamaha will do!
3.5 Eating Cheetos as a regular part of your diet can be fattening, makes you think of stressful politics & gets your fingers sticky Orange.

SO EAT OREO's............with Milk! And relax boys. Snow is falling

1. Lightweight 2-strokes - For me, the weight of my sled is only an issue when I am trying to lift it, not when I am trying to ride it. My biggest weight issue is my own; I would rather shave 50 lbs off me than off my sled.
2. Polaris Engines - Polaris 2-stroke engines are what made me switch to Yamaha 4-stroke engines. Starting with a 1998 600 XC, I had sleds with the 600 twin, 700 twin and 800 twin Polaris engines. Some were good, but some were downright awful. My 800 twin was no faster than my wife's 600, and spent more time in the shop than it did on the trails. My last Polaris was a 2006 600 twin, and I was reasonably happy with it until I felt the pull of a 1049 4-stroke. Give me a Yamaha 4-stroke any day of the week.
3. 2020 - Do any of us really know? If so, please step forward, spill the beans, and put us out of our misery. Since we are hearing nothing but crickets from Yamaha and Arctic Cat, the partnership is obviously on-going, and while 2020 will bring some new Yamahas, they probably won't be "pure" Yamaha.
3.5 Eating Cheetos (or Oreos) - Please refer to #1 above. I promise myself I will lose weight before every sledding season. Cheetos and Oreos are not conducive to losing weight! If it will mean the snow will keep falling, I will eat carrot sticks and celery!

 

[Wannaviper]

Bumped into the local yammi rep the other day. He didn't say it exactly, but what i understood was yamaha was going to spring order only. He didn't comment on much else, said he is still holding out hope for yamaha.

If that is true, then the future of Yamaha in snowmobiling is truly in a downward spiral. 2019, limited production and inventory reduction; 2020 spring order only; 2021......Yamaha becomes an engine supplier for Arctic Cat. The thought is truly depressing.

 

[whitedust1]

If that is true, then the future of Yamaha in snowmobiling is truly in a downward spiral. 2019, limited production and inventory reduction; 2020 spring order only; 2021......Yamaha becomes an engine supplier for Arctic Cat. The thought is truly depressing.

All speculation nothing more. Yamaha not saying so far but very typical of Yamaha and new releases. For me I’m not sweating it I have my views but fully expect Yamaha to stay in the snowmobile business. No one at Yamaha has said it is over just the opposite 2019 inventory reduction and we will still be in the biz in 2020. That is all anyone has said publicly to date.

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

I work for the auto industry and they never tell you their future plans, same as what Yamaha is NOT going to tell us before March-2019

 

[SumpBuster]

U can make a big deal out of weight , it's great if u are jumping 30' through the air or all out drag racing. But reg trail riders it's not a big deal . I rode a 08 Apex with a tall seat , revalved rear shock and snow trackers . No one I have ridden with can keep up to a 10 year old heavy sled , and still didn't get beat in a drag race against new 2 strokes ( with some tuning,lol) so wouldn't get to hooked on that.

True....as long as there's no big g outs, you can really piss off the wannabees on their latest greatest hypemobile.
My apex with curves and single runners still steers when on the gas, and the hygear mono/wrp seat is da bomb!
It just feels confidence inspiring. Except g outs at speed...the sidewinder is lots better at that stuff...lol

 

[STAIN]

much less taxing in the course of the day compared to the twitchy "light" sleds at big speeds where i ride

So very true. I have ridden "light" sleds on the bigger trails where they feel twitchy and nervous all the time. Every little irregularity unsettles the sled. That wears you out big time. Ski doos and the first Firecats are some of the biggest culprits. I prefer a sled that feels planted when running big fast trails for sure.

 

[Mototown]

True....as long as there's no big g outs, you can really piss off the wannabees on their latest greatest hypemobile.
My apex with curves and single runners still steers when on the gas, and the hygear mono/wrp seat is da bomb!
It just feels confidence inspiring. Except g outs at speed...the sidewinder is lots better at that stuff...lol

I was running a titanium 5.6 kg off of 06 yzf 450 , & revalued shim stack in rear shock , g outs are no different than sidewinder or skidoo rear end . Just rebuilding shock makes a huge difference.

 

[stevewithOCD]

That sled would be the bee's knees.


1. It’s not a matter of which one (2 or 4, light or heavy) is better, it’s about giving the consumer options for the 2020 release. If you want a heavy trail sled, Yamaha has that covered. If you want a sled to ride off-trail you’re going elsewhere which is not good for Yamaha.
2. A four-stroke option would be great for them to offer and would give the consumer another option.
3. Some claim to know what Yamaha will do in 2020. I’m with you. We still have no idea.
3.5. An OREO is like a Viper. A Double Stuff OREO is like a Sidewinder. More of what makes an OREO so good.

Well said Mr T.
The problem with double stuff Oreo's is they make you want to pull them apart & eat the middle. Men dunk the whole thing in milk.
It's in the ManBook. Read it. Chapter 6 Page 9. It's after the Mayonnaise section.