2020 Release

[T-Bone]

The above video was eyeopening. I know that two strokes are lighter but I had no idea that the sidewinder was about 130 lbs heavier than the Polaris RMK 850. I know they are a couple inch difference in track length but 130 lbs is a lot. Thats why Yamaha needs a 2-stroke so they can be competitive to those who are concerned with weight.

 

[Sasquatch]

I agree 100% with you about the simple old trucks you could work on yourself, but the only way you were getting 20 mpg with that truck with those specs is if it was shut off and coasting down a hill. That was a completely ridiculous thing to claim.

I think you forget in Canada we have/had the Imperial gallon. It is 4.54 liter to your 3.78. So my 2ompg is your 15 to 16. Now we use liter per hundred kms. So 14.12 liters per hundred kms.

Also the 318 was running edelblock dual plane, holley 600 four barrel, (the 780 thermoquad got better mileage but had a bog when transitioning to the back barrels, a 500 Carter spread bore would have been best), a purple shaft Mopar performance cam (forget lift and duration) and Rhodes lifters, orange ignition box, split fire plugs, homemade stainless duals with homemade stainless mufflers. Run at 90kms it got 20mpg run it at 110kms it got 16. The sweet spot was 90kms past that the Rhode lifters brought the full lift and duration of the cam on line. The truck was also a single wheel rear axle Dana 60 5,500 spring pack and the front a Dana 60 with swapped in 4,500 spring pack, crew cab 6 ft box. weighed about the same as my extended cab half ton 4x4 does. I miss that truck!

 

[sideswipe77]

Is Polaris still employee-owned. So if that is true I guess that's why Polaris is a better sled for Weight Wise seems like they listen to the people more than Yamaha.

 

[Deeppow16]

The above video was eyeopening. I know that two strokes are lighter but I had no idea that the sidewinder was about 130 lbs heavier than the Polaris RMK 850. I know they are a couple inch difference in track length but 130 lbs is a lot. Thats why Yamaha needs a 2-stroke so they can be competitive to those who are concerned with weight.

People always say that Yamaha is only slightly heavier then a2 stroke. Well that's not the case. While all the other brands are getting lighter Yamaha doesn't. They need to have a sled that can compete with these other sleds weight wise or their mountain market will keep shrinking. I'm sorry but an extra 130lbs is like having another person on your sled all day with you. Your going to get tired throwing that weight around all day.

 

[whitedust1]

People always say that Yamaha is only slightly heavier then a2 stroke. Well that's not the case. While all the other brands are getting lighter Yamaha doesn't. They need to have a sled that can compete with these other sleds weight wise or their mountain market will keep shrinking. I'm sorry but an extra 130lbs is like having another person on your sled all day with you. Your going to get tired throwing that weight around all day.

This is news to you??? Lol if I was riding powder 3 great OEM 2s choices available. Yamaha not on the radar chassis or 2s big bore. Degree of difficulty to enter that market is off the charts and not what a company would consider in survival mode. Yamaha will start with baby steps if on their own again not 2s powder sled.

 

[T-Bone]

Is Polaris still employee-owned. So if that is true I guess that's why Polaris is a better sled for Weight Wise seems like they listen to the people more than Yamaha.

No. Polaris is a publicly traded company (ticker symbol PII) and has been for quite a few years.

 

[whitedust1]

No. Polaris is a publicly traded company (ticker symbol PII) and has been for quite a few years.

Plus Polaris is deeply involved in the pontoon boating business recently purchased a bunch including Bennington.

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

So are we saying the Arctic Cat chassis is heavy? (Sidewinder)
Why did they not weigh the Viper?
Some of the extra weight does comes from the Turbo and related components.
With EPA regulations getting stricter I can not see Yamaha going back into the 2s market and we will see how long the 2s stays around due to these ever increasing regulations.
And yes if you want a light weight 2s N/A mountain sled then there are plenty of choices out there.
I guess everyone has their style, if you ride west of the Mississippi then mountain sleds it is.

 

[sideswipe77]

That's the difference between employee-owned and Company owned. company is always about profits, employee-owned is about the people

 

[whitedust1]

That's the difference between employee-owned and Company owned. company is always about profits, employee-owned is about the people

I you kidding me!? Its ALWAYS about profit and growth private or public or a corporation is doomed to failure. This makes no sense at all.

 

[SumpBuster]

Well, my ski doo buddies who rode the sidewinder apparently don't give a darn about the weight on our trails...they LOVED it! Although one would not ride it.....was afraid to love it....lol!

 

[Turtle]

Why did they not weigh the Viper?
Some of the extra weight does comes from the Turbo and related components.

I recall reading on some sled weights in American Snowmobiler. The had an SR Viper LTX with turbo listed as a full wet weight of 630lbs. And they had a stock Sidewinder LTX listed as a full wet weight of 670lbs. I for the life of me can't figure out why the Sidewinder gained 40lbs over an MPI turbo Viper. It's the same chassis, so the bulk of the weight must be with the engine.

 

[RobX-1]

Not sure how we got off topic.

Was not the intent when i created this thread 64 pages ago. I also never talk poltics which never get anyone any where. Politcal opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one. Good or bad

Umm, it was your post stating the following ("My 401k has lost a $hit load of money the last few months that Cheetos man has said we made since he became the head cheese.") that got this post off topic but it appears you edited/removed it since making that comment.

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

Umm, it was your post stating the following ("My 401k has lost a $hit load of money the last few months that Cheetos man has said we made since he became the head cheese.") that got this post off topic but it appears you edited/removed it since making that comment.

Yes I did, wanted to get back on topic and political conversations get you nowhere.
Trails open in 11 days and that is where my focus is and should be.

 

[Wannaviper]

Well, my ski doo buddies who rode the sidewinder apparently don't give a darn about the weight on our trails...they LOVED it! Although one would not ride it.....was afraid to love it....lol!

My stepson has been very ill, and a Sidewinder was high on his "bucket list." I found a used Sidewinder RTX that I could afford, and if all goes well, he will be riding it this winter. I took a quick "rip" down the field with it at home. OMG!!!! When you touch the throttle on a Sidewinder, the machine feels totally "weightless." I have never experienced anything like it.