2021 Release?

[74Nitro]

Anyone who says the mono rides pretty good has never spent any time on a Polaris, a Ski-Doo or a Cat. Although the four-cylinder Apex engine is the best in the biz, the chassis and suspension is bottom of the barrel. If I had to go back and ride a Apex, I'd have to give up riding, and that's a fact.

Every late model snowmobile on the planet ride and handles better than a Apex. Yamaha can not design or build a chassis or suspension that rides or handles to save its soul, and I don't know why, all they have to do is look at and ride a Ski-Doo, Cat or a Polaris. Copy them, do what they do. WTF, do something different that you've done in the past. Yamaha builds a quality product, but they don't ride well, handle well, or bring a smile to your face next to the others or like they do.

I'd be so happy if they brought out a high powered Apex or a turbo Apex in a Ski-Doo chassis, but to use the same engineers and testers they have used in the past and do the same thing they have done in the past, forget it. I've owned well over 20 RX-1's and Apex Deltabox chassis, never again!

Agree. I've heard so many people say that when Yamaha went to a four stroke engine it was the start of their decline.
But they are wrong. It had nothing to do with the four stroke engine. It was the crap chassis/suspension they wrapped it in.

 

[STAIN]

anyone selling or trading a winder with 20,000 miles on them and get a decent trade in value

Serious? Who trades a sled with 20k miles and expects ANY value? You can buy an Apex all day around here with less than 10k miles for $2500-$3000
https://vermont.craigslist.org/snw/d/port-henry-07-yamaha-apex-gt-price/7068672603.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/snw/d/wilmington-2006-yamaha-apex-gt/7067112794.html
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/snw/d/monson-2006-apex/7046823989.html
https://albany.craigslist.org/snw/d/worcester-yamaha-apex/7068760966.html
https://albany.craigslist.org/snw/d/johnstown-2006-yamaha-apex-gt/7067627648.html

Theres your value!!!!!!!

The reason I didnt buy a Pro-Cross before the merger is the engine. The Yamaha engine is what drew me to the Viper then the Sidewinder. Great Yamaha engines with a chassis far superior to anything Yamaha ever built. Best of both worlds.

I will not compromise just out of loyalty.

Well said.

 

[TPAY243]

x2

 

[rtx moose]

i test drove a blast last weekend and well its 1 cylinder and feels like it,not sure what the hype is about..

 

[74Nitro]

To be honest I always felt Cat was the lowest denominator on the reliability list. When they first merged in 2014 I went and rode the test Vipers. I did like the seating position and overall handling but was disappointed in the power delivery of the 1049cc in this application. They had one in the test fleet of demo's that went much better like a well setup Nytro like my buddy had but the other 5 were pooches. (yes I know of the ignitions) I did hear over the following years that Yamaha was spending lots of time in the Cat factory getting things in check as for quality. IMHO their quality has improved but not to the level of a true Yamaha yet. The gear box is still a sore spot and the use of cheap bearings all around is a joke. How much would it cost to put some decent NSK bearings on it?

I had a 2017 STX DX Sidewinder last year. It was a decent sled but did have just the basic shocks in it. I would say that was the weak point, it needed better shocks and in the junky stuff it wasn't a whole lot better than my Attak for ride quality. The good Fox QS3's are a huge upgrade and I have ridden them back to back. I did not have any issues with my SW but my buddy did. His did blow belts but it really needed the back of the secondary machined to get his offset in check but was never done, it had the 240/270/290 flash and CAI setup so it was not stock and as Knapp has done tons of testing we know heat is an issue with CAI kits...(Venting). He also had a pretty bad oil leak from the chaincase that was frustrating him and we all know the track record on chain cases....keep an eye on them. He ended up selling it and all his sleds for a side by side. So I felt my normal ride crew had busted up and saw my big trips fading into the dusk so I sold the Winder last December. I really did not want $10K into a sled I was lucky to ride maybe a week per year. It doesn't snow around here much anymore, last year it did and then the locals never groomed.

I still have my old Attak and it looks and runs flawless. I had sold it to a guy that only put 300 miles on it and suddenly he had heart issues so I bought it back just so I had something to ride if the opportunity came up, which did with Don this year. With the little bit I have invested in the old one I don't lose any sleep when we have ANOTHER crappy winter. My biggest curiousity on these Yama/Cats is........how will they be in 10-15 years? Will we see guys riding them with 15-20,000 miles on them?

Who cares what they r like in 10-15 years?

 

[journeyman]

I may be back on another SW down the road. I told Don maybe when he’s tired of either of his .....if it’s Not too soon I can snap one of his up. Right now I have kids in college...spendy times. His are setup better with the wide kits and the good shocks. If Knapp is still doing flashes I’d go to him again in a heartbeat. He really knows his stuff on these machines.

 

[journeyman]

Who cares what they r like in 10-15 years?

Ha...once again shows how some of us Yamaha guys have been spoiled. I have a few friends still riding 20 plus year old sleds. One of them has a 1998 SRX 600 with 20 plus thousand miles!

 

[20/80]

Serious? Who trades a sled with 20k miles and expects ANY value? You can buy an Apex all day around here with less than 10k miles for $2500-$3000
https://vermont.craigslist.org/snw/d/port-henry-07-yamaha-apex-gt-price/7068672603.html
https://vermont.craigslist.org/snw/d/wilmington-2006-yamaha-apex-gt/7067112794.html
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/snw/d/monson-2006-apex/7046823989.html
https://albany.craigslist.org/snw/d/worcester-yamaha-apex/7068760966.html
https://albany.craigslist.org/snw/d/johnstown-2006-yamaha-apex-gt/7067627648.html

Theres your value!!!!!!!

The reason I didnt buy a Pro-Cross before the merger is the engine. The Yamaha engine is what drew me to the Viper then the Sidewinder. Great Yamaha engines with a chassis far superior to anything Yamaha ever built. Best of both worlds.

Well said.

Well there you go, a 14 going on 15 year sled and can still get 3 grand, the Apex holds there value, thanks for sharing.

 

[journeyman]

Well there you go, a 14 going on 15 year sled and can still get 3 grand, the Apex holds there value, thanks for sharing.

Seems they kind of get down to the $2500-3000 level and just hang there. The motor runs forever....

 

[greatwhite89]

Any further thoughts on 2021 release?

 

[journeyman]

Any further thoughts on 2021 release?

Yeh sorry....getting off track. My guess is a Blast in Yamaha clothing. Hard to believe it’s come to this.

 

[20/80]

Where Yamaha is sticking to 4 strokes even in one of Jaret's Vids he mentioned that very subject, Yamaha may not take on another 2 stroke even if its a rebadged Cat, so either there will be a 4 stroke in the Blast or it may not be part of Yamaha's line up, I'm still stuck on thinking something new is coming from Yamaha in the line of a new chassis.

 

[journeyman]

Where Yamaha is sticking to 4 strokes even in one of Jaret's Vids he mentioned that very subject, Yamaha may not take on another 2 stroke even if its a rebadged Cat, so either there will be a 4 stroke in the Blast or it may not be part of Yamaha's line up, I'm still stuck on thinking something new is coming from Yamaha in the line of a new chassis.

Would be awesome, I have heard a few rumblings but nothing solid. My gut instinct says though, when we don’t hear any leaks that it’s usually another BNG year coming.

 

[20/80]

That has been the trend for Yamaha over the last few years but they are losing customer base to other brands because of it, the winder is way over priced here in Canada at around $22000-$23000 with tax and other fee's out the door, that's way to much for the average snowmobiler to afford, so Yamaha has to make their sleds more affordable, not everyone wants a Viper so buyers are looking else where for a new machine, the used market is attractive depending on the sled, so Yamaha has to do something if they plan to stay in the sled business, more affordable, 5 versions of the winder with new stickers is not the answer.

 

[HUNT 24/7]

If doo comes out with a big hp sled there will be winders for sale by the thousands! Game changer, more like game over...