2022 Sidewinders sold out !

[Sledroll]

Sounds like Covid is stressing the supply chain. I'm sure they would love to sell more sleds, but you need the parts obviously.

Arctic cat for the most part is a 3rd party manufacturing facility , that Yamaha is using .
AC needs to look out for themselves first and foremost , and then secondly keep Yamaha happy .
If you can only make so many sleds , once you cover your own needs , then Yamaha gets the rest .
Obviously Yamaha is ok with the arrangement , or they would walk .
Don't know if they have much choice at this time .
Have they really sold that many sleds , or, is their allotment less than ??
Less than it was in the all sleds made in Japan days ? probably
More than what it has been in prior years from AC ? possibly , as they are saying record sales .
Record sales , without definition , can be spun anyway you want .
Record sales , as in record for highest average selling price of full sized sleds in a year .
That one is pretty easy to hit for all brands , apparently .
Record sales of total number of Yamaha sleds built in TRF . seems like a no brainer .
and so on and so on ,...... I think you see what I mean .
All that being said , as long as they are positive records , which they are implying , then it is good for the Yamaha faithful , and for snowmobiling in general.
It appears this years manufacturing issues are different than last years , as parts supply was not as big of an issue ly , as it appears to be ty , and it is world wide , thru out mostly all industries .
In my business , I am already being affected with cost increases and time delays for next Fall deliveries , of which orders I placed months ago .
Hopefully things work out and we all get our new 2022 sleds on time , or at least IN time .
Just my 2.6 cents worth !(CDN)

 

[SledFreak]

I don't see a problem... If anything, last season would have shown and there were no issues, except maybe Polaris and the shocks. I think that is why they are limits this year. I bought a new seadoo RXPX and my dealer told me last fall that Seadoo is limiting how many they can order and their would have no chance of getting anymore. The issue is really about the strain on supply, which is because production lines cannot run at full capacity because of close contact from Covid. However, this pandemic from last year to this year has allowed companies to plan much better. But as Justinator said..... The values of any used sled is just going through the roof.

 

[Phatboyc]

Supply demand issue with parts. Ok. Need lead time since our engine and clutches are from Japan. Ok.

Then why are the sled models that is sold out, only difference is colours, springs and shocks... If it would be because of engine, clutches or some other part then they should all be sold out...

 

[darv]

it because i think cat only give them so much much production time, when they build sleds there are 2 lines each line can build up to 250 sleds per 8hr shift and they run 2 shift that when there was no covid so know i think the line is a lot slower?

 

[actionjack]

Winder not for sale at least until my '22 shows up.

 

[74Nitro]

Winder not for sale at least until my '22 shows up.

Same here.

 

[74Nitro]

Arctic cat for the most part is a 3rd party manufacturing facility , that Yamaha is using .
AC needs to look out for themselves first and foremost , and then secondly keep Yamaha happy .
If you can only make so many sleds , once you cover your own needs , then Yamaha gets the rest .
Obviously Yamaha is ok with the arrangement , or they would walk .
Don't know if they have much choice at this time .
Have they really sold that many sleds , or, is their allotment less than ??
Less than it was in the all sleds made in Japan days ? probably
More than what it has been in prior years from AC ? possibly , as they are saying record sales .
Record sales , without definition , can be spun anyway you want .
Record sales , as in record for highest average selling price of full sized sleds in a year .
That one is pretty easy to hit for all brands , apparently .
Record sales of total number of Yamaha sleds built in TRF . seems like a no brainer .
and so on and so on ,...... I think you see what I mean .
All that being said , as long as they are positive records , which they are implying , then it is good for the Yamaha faithful , and for snowmobiling in general.
It appears this years manufacturing issues are different than last years , as parts supply was not as big of an issue ly , as it appears to be ty , and it is world wide , thru out mostly all industries .
In my business , I am already being affected with cost increases and time delays for next Fall deliveries , of which orders I placed months ago .
Hopefully things work out and we all get our new 2022 sleds on time , or at least IN time .
Just my 2.6 cents worth !(CDN)

For the most part, I'd have to disagree with your first five statements.
Given that the Winder outsells the T-Cat 10-1(I was told that by a Cat dealer), I think that Arctic Cat would need to look after Yamaha first, (which in turn is good for them anyway).

 

[pdiddy]

Even though demand was up a good bit, their fear of committing to unlimited preorders does not bode well for people getting their sleds on time next Fall. A full year of various levels of lockdown is just now showing up as shortages of all kinds of materials, labor, and transportation. It'll probably take a full year to recover once people are back to work. That's just in it's infancy now world wide. I hope I'm wrong! On the plus side, I'm sure they can print up new graphics by next week!

 

[justinator]

I disagree, covid shutdown alot of stuff unexpectedly last year and people went home and didnt work. Then businesses began putting in guidelines and other provisions so that work could continue even if at a lower productivity rate. I havent had nearly the trouble sourcing parts for all the stuff I own compared to last summer. In a situation like this with lesser production capabilities a manufacturer has to take a stab at what they hope to sell. and have the parts to build it. This was a good move because it keeps people from getting more upset and complaining when the snows flying and they have no sled to ride or having to issue refunds because of failure to deliver. I bet they already have most if not all of what they need to build these sleds. Im guessing they will roll in, right in the fall like predicted. I may be wrong and thats ok if I am, Im not sledless so if I have to wait it might be frustrating but it wont be the end of the world.

 

[sailor joe]

I disagree, covid shutdown alot of stuff unexpectedly last year and people went home and didnt work. Then businesses began putting in guidelines and other provisions so that work could continue even if at a lower productivity rate. I havent had nearly the trouble sourcing parts for all the stuff I own compared to last summer. In a situation like this with lesser production capabilities a manufacturer has to take a stab at what they hope to sell. and have the parts to build it. This was a good move because it keeps people from getting more upset and complaining when the snows flying and they have no sled to ride or having to issue refunds because of failure to deliver. I bet they already have most if not all of what they need to build these sleds. Im guessing they will roll in, right in the fall like predicted. I may be wrong and thats ok if I am, Im not sledless so if I have to wait it might be frustrating but it wont be the end of the world.

our biggest problem will be having to wait for the snow to fly like the past 2 seasons...did I see the weather report correctly...snow predicted this week? now it comes lol Joe

 

[Motorhead]

In 2017, the only way to get an LE model was through the Spring Surge. Many complained and wondered why Yamaha would do that. I was very happy in knowing that the LE would be a rare sled, when compared to the other Sidewinder models, which would be available to buy direct from dealer in that coming fall and winter.
Then, when I needed parts for my new sled, none were available without a long wait ( secondary rollers, top gear, etc.etc.). So I had decided back then, that the sled industry realized a couple of things. Sleds are worth more if the market isn’t flooded with models, and their resale value stays higher because of that same fact, and parts follow that same reasoning.

Now add in the Covid effect and the fact that as of right now, we are being told that most parts will not be available until July or August, so this selling out of sleds, make sense on two fronts. No parts, and making the increase in new sleds palatable for those who can afford them, because they are making fewer!

The silver lining in owning my 17 LE, is that they have not changed much in 5 years, thus my 17 is still worth quite a bit.
Once they drop the Winder for a better and faster model, resale on the Winders will also drop!
Hence all the rave on the SRX, but try and buy a used one!

 

[justinator]

our biggest problem will be having to wait for the snow to fly like the past 2 seasons...did I see the weather report correctly...snow predicted this week? now it comes lol Joe

yes winter is back on friday lol

 

[Sledroll]

Even though demand was up a good bit, their fear of committing to unlimited preorders does not bode well for people getting their sleds on time next Fall. A full year of various levels of lockdown is just now showing up as shortages of all kinds of materials, labor, and transportation. It'll probably take a full year to recover once people are back to work. That's just in it's infancy now world wide. I hope I'm wrong! On the plus side, I'm sure they can print up new graphics by next week!

I don't see a problem... If anything, last season would have shown and there were no issues, except maybe Polaris and the shocks. I think that is why they are limits this year. I bought a new seadoo RXPX and my dealer told me last fall that Seadoo is limiting how many they can order and their would have no chance of getting anymore. The issue is really about the strain on supply, which is because production lines cannot run at full capacity because of close contact from Covid. However, this pandemic from last year to this year has allowed companies to plan much better. But as Justinator said..... The values of any used sled is just going through the roof.

I am pretty sure that parts supply issues are more of a pressing issue than factory space in most industries this year .Last year at this time all the raw materials were available and most parts were well into production by now , and factory productivity was the bigger concern , but they had , apparently , much less orders to fill .
It is all speculation in this case , unless we are told, but it is a world wide trend .
The other part of the timing puzzle is lack of available containers , and delays in getting your container on a ship , in a timely manner .

 

[VX1R]

At this point there is no lack of buyers...

 

[cannondale27]

Last few years Cat had a new guy in charge of the parts buying. He was a idiot and didn’t order nearly what was acquired in previous years. They fired him and brought a old guy back that will straighten things out. With Covid and nobody wanting to work when they can get govt handouts even with best intentions many parts are difficult to get. All it takes is one critical part that can’t be gotten and a snowmobile or anything else just won’t work. They are just being cautious and justifiably so. I would suggest getting your sled work or mods done on current sleds now. Because we all could be in same situation as the manufacturers and not even know it.