Anybody have a Reverse Issue??? Still Works But.....

[donnyrhodes]

I notice some time mine wont go into reverse the light just flashes but then If I shut it down and restart it she is good to go


Now only 285 miles on this unit

 

[Srxspec]

Push the sled forward or back just a little bit. The light still blinking is telling you the gear is not fully engaged.

 

[rfabro]

Bounce up and down on the rear end and that will slightly turn the drivers back and forth and get the gears to line up. If your rear end sags bad like on my mtn lt, sometimes you have to pick the rear of the tunnel up off the track.

 

[jay]

My buddy and I have been dealing with this as my buddy's mtn lite particularly will seldom go into reverse. The word we got from the shop was that Yammi acknowledged they had a problem but didn't yet have fix. Sounded like they were working on re-enginering the servo.

 

[jp@weknowsnow]

i have the same problem and it's getting worse. it has nothing to do with it being in gear or not (for me at least). i noticed on cold mornings i start it up and let it warm up.. then it will not go into reverse. i push the button, nothing happens. turn the sled off and back on, then hit reverse button and it engages. then when it is in reverse for a while it will not go back into drive without turning the sled off and back on. i hope they find a solution quick cause this is anonying.. i have noticed once i run the sled for a while or the temp gets warmer the problem goes away. any ideas? yamaha needs to release a fix for this ASAP!

 

[Yellowknife]

Reverse Update on my mountain lite:

I fed you guys some line that i got from the dealer here that 'cold' weather and 'cold' oil in the case caused the servo to not engage properly until the oil got moving.

Well that's a pile of crap so forget I said it.

I'm starting to have reverse issues too. It is not a reliable reverse and they need something better.

Rocking the sled does fix my issue, but sometimes you can't do that if you're good and stuck.

Basically while breaking trail this weekend, when I would stop to clear some brush, I couldn't start again without getting stuck because so much snow builds up in front of the FLAT phazer's front end...another issue, the front end should be designed on a slope.

ANYWAY, reversing a foot would help cause then I could power out of the snow pile in front, but my reverse decided it didn't want to work anymore without being rocked back and forth every time I would try to engage it! It was getting extremely frusterating!!!

 

[Skipponator]

I been having problems since day one. Rocking isn't a big deal, but sometimes I push the button and nothing happens, like it's a dead button. Turn machine off, and it may work. Or it gets into reverse, and will not go back into drive, so you have to turn the machine off. Sux when boondockin'! I contacted the dealer I bought it from, and they contacted Yamaha, as well as tunnel bending, and Yami was going ot search the boards here to see who else is having issues, since our dealers aren't getting any problems since no one has snow and cannot ride. Voices are not coming in locally.

-Skip

 

[jp@weknowsnow]

I been having problems since day one. Rocking isn't a big deal, but sometimes I push the button and nothing happens, like it's a dead button. Turn machine off, and it may work. Or it gets into reverse, and will not go back into drive, so you have to turn the machine off. Sux when boondockin'! I contacted the dealer I bought it from, and they contacted Yamaha, as well as tunnel bending, and Yami was going ot search the boards here to see who else is having issues, since our dealers aren't getting any problems since no one has snow and cannot ride. Voices are not coming in locally.

-Skip

mine acts the same way. same problem.

 

[blue]

Someone mentioned on here that the tunnels bend? Can you elaborate?

 

[Vmax4]

Two things. One, the reverse issue is simple. Take all the other yamaha sleds with the manual reverse lever. If the engine is at all putting tension on the drive belt and in turn, putting the slightest tension on the secondary clutch, the entire system will not engage smoothly. When people rock it back and forth, they are taking that tension off the drive train and allowing the reverse lever to operate. Sometimes it is a case of a "high idle" (Phazer in warm-up mode) or a secondary clutch needs to be shimmed, or you are just sitting in a position where there is tension on the drive tain.

With Polaris, their servo operated reverse did not recognize when it was "ok" to engage the reverse gear, and consiquently they broke a ton of chain cases and many many more came unglued!!!

Yamaha has a safety in this system where it will not force itself into gear, instead it flashes and lets you know something is not properly aligned. I for one have not had any problems with my phazer reverse, but I don't try and use it until after the idle comes down off warm up, and I have looked at my clutches to ensure they are not gripping at all at a low ile.

I don't think this is a problem like some on here are saying it is. I think the design is clever and fully functional. The key is knowing why it is doing what it is doing, and knowing how to eliminate the issues that cause the problem.

As a test, start your phazer, use your hand to put slight pressure on the secondary drive clutch (the clutch that isn't going to rip your fingers off as it spins at 1800 RPM's). I bet the reverse will not function and you will get the flashing "r". Use your hand to create a "nuetral force" and I bet it will engage freely each and every time. Haven't tried this, just thinking it is a way of understanding the forces involved.

 

[Yellowknife]

I disagree, the design is sub-par and if they need to come up with something totally different in order to get bullet proof shifting, they should do that. I don't find the status quo acceptable.

 

[jp@weknowsnow]

dude i don't even get the flashing R or flashing D, it just won't go into reverse unless you turn it off and switch to reverse as soon as you turn the sled back on. you have to do the same thing to get it back into D

once the sun warms up the pod or something, the issue goes away as i don't have this problem mid day or back at the trailhead after a long day.

 

[Yellowknife]

on a side topic - my 'pod' ices up like crazy in deep powder. At one point I couldn't read it, so frosted inside!

 

[Warden]

After paying god knows how much for a new Phazer there should be NO rockin to get it into reverse! It should work without jumping on the back. I would be PISSED!

 

[Vmax4]

On the pod issue with the reverse not working. Have you tried unplugging the pod from the wire harness? I would unplug it, clean it with low pressure compressed air, and then replug it in. If the issue is in the pod, yamaha will get you a new pod. As far as frosting, the pod does not come assembled to the sled from the factory. On the rear of it, where the wire harness plugs into it, there is a seal of sorts. If that is not pluged all the way in and sealing properly, it would probably frost, and might also cuase "button" issues like the reverse not working. I would hesitate to call the design sub-par, until you investigate, and until lots moe issues are brought forward.

I am suggesting the post above in regards to why rocking fixes your problem if it does try and go into reverse. Anyway, I bet if you investigate, you are going to find the belt tension is causing the flashing syndrome.

I would be interested to know what a non-sub-par system looks like? A button that runs your sled in reverse (not 4-stroke friendly) and the sled stalls half the times you try to use it? Or maybe the manual lever, where the same problem arises when there is tension on the drive, or maybe the best revers for you guys having issues........... A burly riding partner!!!!!!