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Goodbye Yamaha

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Threads like this have been happening since the Yamaha and Cat agreement in 2014 and the Viper introduction.
Some of these threads also tend to focus on the possibility that there will be new all-Japan models debuting next season. Come on guys....8 years! And just when you think you've seen the last another one rears its ugly head.
There are about five riders left in North America that are determined to ride the latest Apex's to the grave and most of them have already commented in this thread.
 

The OP might try a 900 turbo Doo. It is a gas and go sled. Just don't expect a big powerhouse, handling and comfort the winder provides. It will be the next best thing to a winder.
 
I have gone the other way with my winder . When I first bought my 18 , after the first 6 months, I thought what did I get myself into , coming from a 08 apex .
Now with a few mods , home made gear bushing & axle mod , 300 hp on tap , best handling sled , how could I go to something else slower & doesn't handle as well ... no sled out there makes me giggle under my helmet following some hot rod skidoo or Polaris down the trail just waiting for that 200 m straight that I can totally surprise them when they are wide open .
good luck with buying something else.
 
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STAIN said:
Not really, they sold more sleds this than they have in many years.
I would say more people are buying Yamaha sleds than they where pre 2014. Especially in recent years......
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It is just the trend today, other manufactures are experiencing the same with Ski Doo being the sales leader for market share, Yamaha is focused on the Sidewinder and is soul depended on Cat, so you as a buyer are also depended on Cat, Yamaha is trending towards selling snowmobile engines only, you may see a blue Polaris 4 stroke, but of course you will still be riding a Yamaha.
 
I find that the more people that ride the Winder and T-cat, the more come away VERY impressed.
The word is getting out, these sleds are awesome at so many things. Trail cruiser or lake weapon, this sled can do both all day long.
The "its too heavy argument" by those who have never ridden one is old.
 
Yamaha north America do not make sleds, only the ones out of Japan are pure Yamaha made sleds, the Winder, Viper, Venom, MT Max that are being sold today are not on that list, it is just a matter of time before Textron pulls the plug and stops buying blue paint, Yamaha has eliminated their engineering staff at their R&D facility, they are winding down, I will be surprised to see a 2024 Yamaha sled, just the thunder Cat maybe, if Textron approves it.
 
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I have been a faithful Yamaha snowmobile customer for over 34 years. Their attention to detail, quality and reliability were second to none. I’ve owned 14 Yamaha sleds over the years and enjoyed every minute of it until now. Three of my 2 strokes went past 25,000 km with not one of them ever being re-built. I usually average 5000 km per winter, once hitting 6600 km. I am a serious sledder who is meticulous about maintenance and has always tried to stay current.

People ask if Yamaha will continue to build snowmobiles, I’m afraid they’ve already exited the market. Their union with Arctic Cat has produced vehicles that have left me aghast. In no way do I fault Arctic Cat for any issues, Yamaha put their name on sub standard equipment so the blame falls squarely on their shoulders. They simply should have exited the business and sold engines to whoever wanted them.

My 2018 Yamaha Sidewinder has been the most disappointing and unreliable machine/vehicle I’ve ever owned. Yes it goes fast, it goes very fast. I’ve put over 14,500 km on it. I’ve tolerated all the prior Yamaha heavy weights but this one is over the top. Handling issues out of the gate necessitated a change of skis and thousands of km’s of fiddling with the suspension to get it dialed in to the best possible handling outcome. This website proved invaluable for assistance. I’ve had 3 tendons on each shoulder surgically reattached due to separate accidents. I can do 50 push ups, shovel dirt or split wood all day, ride my dirt bike, carry whatever I need to etc etc. The only thing that hurts my shoulders is driving this machine. Day 2 my shoulders actually throb like after my surgeries. I feel like it's an all day wrestling match. I’ve found myself consciously avoiding tight twisty trails on this snow plow. Yamaha’s addition of power steering for 2022 clearly demonstrates there is a problem. More weight!

Then there is the whole issue of quality and reliability.

-Steering shaft seized at ball and not lubricated from factory. When shaft female socket heated up from engine you could steer. This was a strange one
-Major side to side play in steering shaft collar below bars.
-Clutch rollers that seize up regularly despite annual disassembly and cleaning of clutch and all components.
-Fuel pump relays that continue to freeze despite same issue being present on both prior versions of the Apex (which I owned).
-Limiter straps that both needed replacement for some unknown reason. Perhaps the endless fiddling to try and dial in suspension.
-Belt blowing issues that appeared at 8,000 km. Luckily being forewarned about this issue I had fabricated a belly pan protector
-Taking top gears out of the chain case twice, now dealers suggesting annual replacement.
-Bearing tolerances so poor that the drive axle spins within the inner race. My axle had to be cut in half for removal it was so badly damaged. All needed replacement
-Fasteners and rivets all over sled corroding due to poor quality. At time of Arctic cat union a dealer commented better fasteners used on old Yamaha crates than new snowmobiles.
-Chain case maintenance system designed by someone who never had to perform it. Unable to remove any filings without complete disassembly.
-Instrument cluster had to be removed and backing pads installed to stop vibration and movement..
-Ignition switch that is now spinning in a stripped plastic lock nut. I’ve never once touched this assembly.
-Oil tank blowouts requiring a roll over valve bypass.
-Dirt and debris that continually runs down the sides of the tunnel from plastic items all rubbing and wearing.
-Decals that have all become de laminated on the tunnel with clear protective covers peeling off them and flapping.
-Tail light that wiggles because rivets have all come loose.
-Windshield that cracked simply due to vibration.
-Excessive price.

My patience hit the end of the road with this machine, I actually grew to hate the machine and all the BS associated with it. I became afraid to drive it as something always went wrong. Machine is now sold and off to a new home.

I will still be an avid sledder, however it will now be on a different brand. Perhaps my most upsetting issue is leaving my long time dealer of 34 years with whom I have had a fantastic relationship and stellar service.

Good bye Yamaha.
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ANOTHER ANTI YAMAHA TROLL,DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST!!
 
I say pick your poison and ride all 4 have there problems. This is like a pissing contest no matter what I will stick with a sidewinder. Just like my Chevy trucks or did I just open another can of worms lmao.
 
Funny he never responded to what he wants for this junk sled…..
 
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