I can't believe you can run the same rpm with the 8DN, 8JP or XS825. I see a huge difference between these belts.Ya I was running bare ice today racing chiseled up, and with trail studs on ice earlier in the week. Was running 8jp this week. I seem to turn the same rpms with an 8jp, 8dn or xs825. The gates brings the rpms down a bit. 105mph is moving pretty good in 500 feet with trail studs for yours.