Looking for feedback on Simmons skis

[Coondog2707]

I am considering changing to these for my 07 Apex GT. I am making some changes to it in an effort to make this thing rail around corners. (The inside ski lift on a sled that was supposed to be purpose built for "groomed trail" is unreal)
I am mainly looking for sure and confident cornering. Steering effort isnt a big concern for me, and flotation isnt a big deal either since I rarely ride off trail. If anyone could help me with some opinions I would be grateful.

 

[YamaMikeRTX]

Simmons are great skis, you will probably want to go with the first generation model. The second generation are wider for more floatation, which you are not worried about. They eliminate darting and are wider than stock which seens to help ski lift .In slushy sonditions the push around corners. They steer heavy, and they seem to wear out the carbides in the front more than the rear. I plan on shimming them to lighten up the steering(maybe?) and even out the wear.
hope this helps

Mike

 

[Attak44]

Coondog,
I've run Simmons for years. They are a great ski. No darting, very stable steering on the trial. As YamaMike says, they do push in the corners. If you really want her to rail, check out the C&A's.

 

[BA APEX]

I loved my simmons but am going to try something else just to see if i can lighten up the steering pressure. I should try shimming them befor getting rid off them first though. my carbides wore down in the front, mybe shims would help.
If my other skis work out I will maybe sell my simmons : http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4516083

 

[kinger]

I have my simmons shimmed with the shims bergstrom sends with his carbides

 

[OneBadWarrior]

I switched to Simmons last year and found them to be awesome. Right away the difference was evident. I can't say anything about other models but I am VERY happy with the Simmons.

 

[BOUNTYHUNTER]

I am considering changing to these for my 07 Apex GT. I am making some changes to it in an effort to make this thing rail around corners. (The inside ski lift on a sled that was supposed to be purpose built for "groomed trail" is unreal)
I am mainly looking for sure and confident cornering. Steering effort isnt a big concern for me, and flotation isnt a big deal either since I rarely ride off trail. If anyone could help me with some opinions I would be grateful.

Well going to an after market ski is always nice as the stock are ok, but if you are a rider that wants more out that sled and you really want it to rail. Just changing your skis will do nothing for you there, as I've adjusted lots of those GT's as they do not have enough Weight Transfer on the Control Rod and you will see ski lift. You need to take your Control Rod Wrench that Yamaha has supplied you and loosen off the Inner Nut. Now measure just whereabouts you are on the scale and check your adjuster lenght. You will see that there is a Min and a Max scale on the wrench you adjust the Outter Nut and go about half way from the Standard mark in the middle to Max mark, that will be two marks on your wrench scale. That will make a big difference, now you can fine tune it from there whether you need more or less transfer. Now go up front and loosen your front springs on your shocks right off. Then tighten them down finger tight and then go ONE FULL TURN, this will soften up the front end so it's not so stiff or hard and stop the bounce you get when you are hard into the turns. Now you should really start seeing what you are looking for, and now is the time to go to an after market ski if you so wish.

Seeing how you ride nothing but the Groomed Trails and want it TO TURN, then I would stay away from the Simmons as they are not the ski for you and your riding style. The simmons are a great ski it's just not the ski you are looking for as the application you require is an AGGRESSIVE SKI. The ski you need is the C&A Pro Razor's, they might be a bit stiff to turn at first ....but...when you turn the bars at any speed or any snow conditions ..IT TURNS PERIOD. You can shim the skis 1/8" to 1/4" and set them up Parallel to each other this will also free up some of that stiffness and make it a little easier to turn. this set up is ZERO TOE OUT, as that works the best but you can tweak them to 1/16 or 1/8 Toe out if you wish.

I had Simmons on my 04 Warrior, and found them to have limitations to them, here is a pic of them. I also had C&A Pro RAZORS on my 06 Attak and they were nothing short of being ABSOLUTELY AWESOME.Here is a pic of those skis as well you can see by looking at them both that the C&A's have a deeper more aggressive keel to them and are not so flat.


If you have any questions when you go to set up your sled shoot me a PM, I'll be glad to help you out.

 

[Sasquatch]

I had Simmons on my 04 Warrior, and found them to have limitations to them,

I agree I have Simmons on my 05 Warrior. I love the ski's but if the trail is chewed to powder or you have fresh snow they will push. On hardpack trail they bite hard but the softer the trail the more they push.

So they are agressive only on hardpack, because of thier design they pack the soft stuff underneath on float on top of it. Once they float they don't bite as hard.