my clutch setup (dalton)

[chaleurphantom]

My latest clutch kit is dalton primary weights, usually black/green spring depends on engagement desired. Black/orange Dalton spring wound at 6-1.
Works awesome, great top end, not much heat, no blown belts we raced 1000 feet back to back to back all weekend at 285HP on TD max spool (see video).
My sled had STM clutches as we wanted to compare performance. Mine was the quickest but it was due to best traction. There was a TCat with full STM clutches and it was not quicker.
Mike had the TD clutch kit and overall was the 2nd quickest out of 4 in the group in my opinion. Again he hooked best after my sled.

SO power wise all sleds were the same clutch wise all ran very similar (2 TD clutch kits stock clutches, 2 STM setups). My cat had the best track and stud setup for ice racing so that's what gave it the edge.

What are you running for Helix? Would you suggest a different Helix from say Stock to tuned?

 

[**sj**]

What should I use ? I've got TD powertrail tune with dalton weights, was wanting to try the 33/35 with orange black spring. But Dan ur saying don't bother ?? I blew one belt at 400 miles, now I'm at 1000 and cringe every time I hit the throttle
I believe it's the 8 Jp and ya black starting to come out the clutch vents. I'm so scared of blowing another belt, never blew a blelt like on a SW so violent!

Have you checked your offset?
I believe dan is not running daltons but stms'?
FYI check your primary and secondary rollers carefully...
which daltons and loaded at?

Id try the stock helix with your O/B dalton wrapped at 3-3 pending your details..and stock 35 helix for the trail works great IMHO

 

[Sidewinder Slayer]

What are you running for Helix? Would you suggest a different Helix from say Stock to tuned?

I've got ur powertrail tune, turbo force pipe, dalton weights, and updated rollers u sent me. stock helix, and both stock springs.

 

[Sidewinder Slayer]

Have you checked your offset?
I believe dan is not running daltons but stms'?
FYI check your primary and secondary rollers carefully...
which daltons and loaded at?

Id try the stock helix with your O/B dalton wrapped at 3-3 pending your details..and stock 35 helix for the trail works great IMHO

I've got the updated rollers from TD,
The dalton weights are from TD loaded with the biggest slug and I'm my rpms are 8800 -8900

 

[Sidewinder Slayer]

What are you running for Helix? Would you suggest a different Helix from say Stock to tuned?

Can u PM me at kevinkovac@hotmail.com
The internet isn't the greatest here

 

[Sidewinder Slayer]

I've got ur powertrail tune, turbo force pipe, dalton weights, and updated rollers u sent me. stock helix, and both stock springs.

Sorry chaleurphantom wrong person

 

[WinterWolf]

Maybe somebody could answer this question.

Stock Primary clutch, and Dalton B/O Secondary Spring, with Dalton 33/35 Helix, set at 3-3 and my top end Revs are 8550-8600. If I set it to 6-1 like Dale recommends(as LTXJoe did) will this increase my top end RPM's a bit??

Joe mentioned he had the same set up, and his top end speed increased quite a bit when he switched the wrap to 6-1. He was quite low at 8300 RPM's on the top end when he was at 3-3, and then when he changed to 6-1 his top speed increased quite a bit, so Imagine his top end RPM's had to have increased as well. Am I looking at this correctly??

 

[VX1R]

Maybe somebody could answer this question.

Stock Primary clutch, and Dalton B/O Secondary Spring, with Dalton 33/35 Helix, set at 3-3 and my top end Revs are 8550-8600. If I set it to 6-1 like Dale recommends(as LTXJoe did) will this increase my top end RPM's a bit??

Joe mentioned he had the same set up, and his top end speed increased quite a bit when he switched the wrap to 6-1. He was quite low at 8300 RPM's on the top end when he was at 3-3, and then when he changed to 6-1 his top speed increased quite a bit, so Imagine his top end RPM's had to have increased as well. Am I looking at this correctly??

I'll chime in here with my thoughts on your questions. With your current clutching set up you're running a little low on your target rpms. A long time clutch tuning rule is to use your primary clutch to control top rpms and not your secondary clutch.

You'll probably gain a slight top rpm gain increasing the wrap on your secondary spring from your current setting of 3-3 to the 6-1 setting that seems to be the recommended setting for your Dalton B/O spring but probably not enough to get you where you want to be.

I would go ahead and set your wrap to the 6-1 setting like you mentioned doing and consider taking your stock weights out of the clutch and replacing the rivet on each weight near the tip of the weight with a lighter rivet to get your top end rpms where they need to be. It's going to take a little more time/effort to do this but it should be the easiest/cheapest route for you to get where you need to be without the added cost of going to the easy to tune and more expensive aftermarket weights.

It's cool to follow your clutching progress on your sled using the stock weight set up with aftermarket only secondary changes. Hopefully this helps.

 

[ClutchMaster]

Maybe somebody could answer this question.

Stock Primary clutch, and Dalton B/O Secondary Spring, with Dalton 33/35 Helix, set at 3-3 and my top end Revs are 8550-8600. If I set it to 6-1 like Dale recommends(as LTXJoe did) will this increase my top end RPM's a bit??

Joe mentioned he had the same set up, and his top end speed increased quite a bit when he switched the wrap to 6-1. He was quite low at 8300 RPM's on the top end when he was at 3-3, and then when he changed to 6-1 his top speed increased quite a bit, so Imagine his top end RPM's had to have increased as well. Am I looking at this correctly??

VX1R is spot on, but don’t these sleds take 700 miles before they are at full power? Break-in tune in the computer? I would look into it.

 

[STAIN]

A long time clutch tuning rule is to use your primary clutch to control top rpms and not your secondary clutch.

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Use the primary to control RPM, the secondary to control shift.

 

[Turbo Dynamics]

Maybe somebody could answer this question.

Stock Primary clutch, and Dalton B/O Secondary Spring, with Dalton 33/35 Helix, set at 3-3 and my top end Revs are 8550-8600. If I set it to 6-1 like Dale recommends(as LTXJoe did) will this increase my top end RPM's a bit??

Joe mentioned he had the same set up, and his top end speed increased quite a bit when he switched the wrap to 6-1. He was quite low at 8300 RPM's on the top end when he was at 3-3, and then when he changed to 6-1 his top speed increased quite a bit, so Imagine his top end RPM's had to have increased as well. Am I looking at this correctly??

I would start with a known good baseline. That spring we also recommend 6-1 to get similar torsion to the stock spring at 3-3

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[sledding rocks]

yesterday i got the chance to put on 75 miles of lake running on my max spool 17 td tuned sled .
primary clutch - dalton weights 79 grams
dalton primary spring /blk -grn . 3800 engagement . 2 glide washers
secondary clutch - blk /orange @ 6-1 spring or 70
dalton 35 helix , td rollers .
yamha 8j belt
this combination works great. all day rpms were 8900-9000 . clutch r cool , very little belt dust ,
yesterday ice condition were very fast and hard , the max tune is so aggressive that i was hooking so hard on the ice it pulled out over a dozen studs out the track . this tune is wicked .
with hooking this hard u would think the clutch may show some sign of belt slippage or belt dust , everything was perfect , only need a new track now .

 

[**sj**]

Why the pull outs.. Luck you didn't got that heat exchanger

 

[ROCKERDAN]

yesterday i got the chance to put on 75 miles of lake running on my max spool 17 td tuned sled .
primary clutch - dalton weights 79 grams
dalton primary spring /blk -grn . 3800 engagement . 2 glide washers
secondary clutch - blk /orange @ 6-1 spring or 70
dalton 35 helix , td rollers .
yamha 8j belt
this combination works great. all day rpms were 8900-9000 . clutch r cool , very little belt dust ,
yesterday ice condition were very fast and hard , the max tune is so aggressive that i was hooking so hard on the ice it pulled out over a dozen studs out the track . this tune is wicked .
with hooking this hard u would think the clutch may show some sign of belt slippage or belt dust , everything was perfect , only need a new track now .

This seems to be the overall recipe many of us are going with....albeit I will use a bit more helix.

Nice job
Dan

 

[Turbo Dynamics]

yesterday i got the chance to put on 75 miles of lake running on my max spool 17 td tuned sled .
primary clutch - dalton weights 79 grams
dalton primary spring /blk -grn . 3800 engagement . 2 glide washers
secondary clutch - blk /orange @ 6-1 spring or 70
dalton 35 helix , td rollers .
yamha 8j belt
this combination works great. all day rpms were 8900-9000 . clutch r cool , very little belt dust ,
yesterday ice condition were very fast and hard , the max tune is so aggressive that i was hooking so hard on the ice it pulled out over a dozen studs out the track . this tune is wicked .
with hooking this hard u would think the clutch may show some sign of belt slippage or belt dust , everything was perfect , only need a new track now .

Too long of a. Stud can do that...
Share your log with me ID love to see. It...



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