New 2017 Yamaha Sleds...

[WinderFab]

gytr done ur long stories r getting boring you have three other bombs to pick from so move on...

 

[Sasquatch]

No I am here to state what Yamaha doesn't offer. And if you are so sure Yamaha can build the best snowmobile out there, which they don't! then you should speak up to hold your manufacturer accountable to what they say. Not just defend empty words and hope for the best, Yamaha hasn't built a new design snowmobile since the Nytro. And we all know how long that model lasted and how good it was, as far as the Viper it isn't even a Yamaha. I have no concerns if Yamaha leaves the industry, the reason is they are showing no real interest in the snowmobile division as they have demonstrated over the last 12 years. How can I be excited about an Apex design that is 11 years old or a Viper that is practically an Arctic cat and now with the team industries clutches coming on 2016 AC models why would you even need to look at a Yamaha. It's not that I can't go buy something else from another manufacturer that has equal and or better products than Yamaha, it's that I am being forced out by my own manufacturer because they don' offer what I want.

Apex design is not 11 years old and is the best sled out there for its intended purpose. Most however seem to want to change it to something other then a Apex. Like the Nytro that most hated, Cat allowed Yamaha to drop their motor in it and call it a Yamaha while Cat got to use Yamaha's motor in the same chassis! If people are happy with it then I applaud their choice. Trouble is Apex riders who bought the Apex for what it is do not want a Viper or anything like it to replace the Apex. They want another Flagship. The Viper is not it!

Yamaha killed two birds with one stone, they appeased the disgruntled Nytro riders and the disgruntled mountain riders. Maybe not the way I wanted them to but they did it! The Apex riders where mostly happy with the Apex or at least the ones who bought it for what it was designed to do or at least best at. Most who complain about the Apex not changing since the RX have never rode the new Apex. The Apex has gone through three changes with the last being the most refined. As some have said it should have been given a new name because its a whole new sled.

I think what I like most about the Apex is it hasn't changed for changes sake. Every change has been well thought out and keeps the RX heritage while making the sled an even better flagship. I fully hope that the next Apex stays true to that and people can continue to complain about how they did not make a big bump sled out of it!

 

[WinderFab]

Very well said...
Best GROOMED trail sled ever built...

 

[GeFeldz]

I've owned a 2004 rx warrior and now i have a 2011 apex xtx and i wholeheartedly agree they are very different animals... I was not very happy with the warrior, the rear suspension was uncomfortable and with the track tightened to something reminiscent of a guitar string the drivers would skip uncontrollably at the very worst opportunity, i.e. in heavy snow and slush where you really don't want to get stuck. The ergonomics were bad as well with the low rider seat and the steering post too far back. I also swore i would never own a sled with a ripsaw track again, as the warrior only wanted to go down through the snow and never forward. The xtx is an entirely different animal, the non slip drivers and the rear suspension means I'm never worried about traction or bumps, the backcountry track that came standard on the Swedish models is pretty much perfect for the sled as well. The ergos, while still made for sitting down, are perfect for really active trail attacking at silly speeds and the servo means long miles in perfect comfort. The only thing I was worried about before i got the sled was deep snow and breaking trail but it's better than i ever dared to hope at not getting stuck. It's still heavy to get unstuck but it happens so seldom it's not really an issue.
My hope is that Yamaha keep the apex motor and design a new platform around it with a little less weight, maybe a five inch seat lift and with the steering post about four to five inches further forward. I should probably be on a nypex or a nytro xtx with the mcx 190 kit but I am still very happy with the apex!

 

[gytr done]

LMAO you guys are hilarious, and entertaining.

 

[yama_rider]

It is true that the Apex has been updated over the years of its existence but to say that it is completely different from the original RX1 is not true. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are still lots of interchangeable parts that date back to 2003....an example would be the A arm bushings, so its basically the same front end suspension geometry. If Yamaha actually came out with a new 180HP Ape, I could not pull out my wallet fast enough to buy one and many others would too.
And for everyone talking trash about the Viper, you need to give your head a shake.....I mean just look at all the new Vipers you see on the trail. They have become an extremely popular sled and I have read on here that it accounts for 60% of all Yamaha sled sales....that's huge and I'm surprised it is not more than that. Last weekend I came across 4 Vipers on the trail and guess what they were driving before the vipers......Apexs! So if Yamaha had not switched to the Cat chassis, who knows if they would still be in the market at all. Just my 2 cents....

 

[brandon a]

The 4 strokes Yamaha has are perfect for what they are. None of the manufacturers have anything close to the old style sleds ie srx/sx viper. It would be nice to see Yamaha come out with something like that again. 800 triple 2 stroke in a chassis designed more for corners

 

[gytr done]

gytr done ur long stories r getting boring you have three other bombs to pick from so move on...

Hey Fabio I suppose you think Woodbridge and Italians are the best too eh!
LOL P.S. Your Nona just called she would like her sled back.

 

[gytr done]

It is true that the Apex has been updated over the years of its existence but to say that it is completely different from the original RX1 is not true. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are still lots of interchangeable parts that date back to 2003....an example would be the A arm bushings, so its basically the same front end suspension geometry. If Yamaha actually came out with a new 180HP Ape, I could not pull out my wallet fast enough to buy one and many others would too.
And for everyone talking trash about the Viper, you need to give your head a shake.....I mean just look at all the new Vipers you see on the trail. They have become an extremely popular sled and I have read on here that it accounts for 60% of all Yamaha sled sales....that's huge and I'm surprised it is not more than that. Last weekend I came across 4 Vipers on the trail and guess what they were driving before the vipers......Apexs! So if Yamaha had not switched to the Cat chassis, who knows if they would still be in the market at all. Just my 2 cents....

X2, although I do disagree with you on the Viper, I am sure it's a fabulous sled
And it has sold lots. But all that demonstrated to me is how desperate the Yamaha faithful were
For a fresh start, There were lots who bought a Viper and some who sold again because they were disappointed. I am not that desperate for a snowmobile that AC built and Yamaha puts there stickers on it and calls it a day. That's just a a lack of effort on Yamahas part and not looking ahead to the future, otherwise know as no plan man! Hence the quote from CR ' a bunch of balls in the air' for my 2017.
What the F is that supposed to mean, that there are having troubles deciding which BNG to go with ?

 

[GeFeldz]

They did a smart thing with the new Viper, they needed something new and more up to date as a stopgap to still be in the game and sell sleds and they've probably sold more vipers than they had hoped. The only danger i see with that is if they decide to scrap some new designed-and-manufactured in house (Japan) project before they release it, just because the viper was and is a bigger success than calculated. I hope they stay in the sled business because they would be sorely missed and the market would be more boring with just the other three who are more me-too than Yamaha. The competition is healthy. Please don't just sell motors to cat, Yamaha

 

[thor452]

It is true that the Apex has been updated over the years of its existence but to say that it is completely different from the original RX1 is not true. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are still lots of interchangeable parts that date back to 2003....an example would be the A arm bushings, so its basically the same front end suspension geometry. If Yamaha actually came out with a new 180HP Ape, I could not pull out my wallet fast enough to buy one and many others would too.
And for everyone talking trash about the Viper, you need to give your head a shake.....I mean just look at all the new Vipers you see on the trail. They have become an extremely popular sled and I have read on here that it accounts for 60% of all Yamaha sled sales....that's huge and I'm surprised it is not more than that. Last weekend I came across 4 Vipers on the trail and guess what they were driving before the vipers......Apexs! So if Yamaha had not switched to the Cat chassis, who knows if they would still be in the market at all. Just my 2 cents....

and i see your on a 07 attack try a new one and then tell me it is the same thing my 12 is nothing like my 07 in the way it performs only simular in looks.

 

[yama_rider]

and i see your on a 07 attack try a new one and then tell me it is the same thing my 12 is nothing like my 07 in the way it performs only simular in looks.

Going from my RX1 to the Attak was a big upgrade (ergonomically and suspension) and I'm sure the same is true for the '11 and up Apes. However, power is only slightly better than the original RX1 because it's basically the same engine except with EFI....

 

[GeFeldz]

Going from my RX1 to the Attak was a big upgrade (ergonomically and suspension) and I'm sure the same is true for the '11 and up Apes. However, power is only slightly better than the original RX1 because it's basically the same engine except with EFI....

The RX has about 135-140 real dyno hp and the 2011+ Apex has about 150-155, so i'd say at least 10 hp conservatively as well as crisper throttle response and a broader power band as well. The power difference and driveability is definitely very noticeable!

 

[gytr done]

Going from my RX1 to the Attak was a big upgrade (ergonomically and suspension) and I'm sure the same is true for the '11 and up Apes. However, power is only slightly better than the original RX1 because it's basically the same engine except with EFI....

X2, the biggest difference between the RX to the Attack, or the Attack to present day Apex is its gotten "HEAVIER" over the years. Example my buddies 07 Apex is no faster than my 03 RX, so what's the point of upgrading. The Apex has gained more weight than HP.

 

[4strokeluvr111]

(eating copious amounts of popcorn!)