New Skinz (SPG) "Concept" Front Suspension

[scmurs]

Sweet----Made my deposit and ordered w/new shocks.

Thanks Stealthy

Do you know all the rest of those goofballs from Eagle River??

Say hi to them for me if you do.

:rules

 

[yammi4ever]

Is there going to be a kit to fit stock shocks down the road? Can you tell me why they made this front end not accept the current shocks? Is it the offset to the front? Thanks

The forward movement of the a-arm/spindle assembly requires the use of spherical bearings in the shock ends. We can upgrade the Fox Floats, but not the GYTR coil overs to work with the SPG front end.

Scott,

Are you guys zbroz dealers yet? Thinking about this set up, but if I spend the $$ I will want good shocks.

Can you also explain the benefit of the pre-order by today if I go the zbroz route.

Thanks

kirk

And does skinz have any problem using a coil over, or are they only comfy with the air shocks?

We are a Zbroz dealer, but have not finalized an Exit shock set up for the new front end kit. We are working on that setup. The main focus up to this point has been on the Fox Evol-R. The Zbroz Exit X0 and X1 shocks will fit the SPG front end provided that they have the spherical bearings on both ends of the shocks.

There is no need to pre-order by today. There may have been some confusion with this. The earlier post stated that the pre-order web page would be available no later than today and it is now there to pre-order.

We are taking orders now on a first come basis.

Scott

Thanks for the info,

Any idea when the zbroz option will be approved or not approved? Also, why no stock color offered (silver xtx arms)? kinda like to keep the stock color scheme if possible.

Thanks

Kirk

 

[bottlerocket]

Ok so during travel the lower arm does not move in a straight line but in a curved motion. I tried to think of why the different shock ends but didnt think of that. We used this set up years ago on BLT front ends with Works shocks. Thank you.

 

[ruffryder]

We are a Zbroz dealer, but have not finalized an Exit shock set up for the new front end kit. We are working on that setup. The main focus up to this point has been on the Fox Evol-R. The Zbroz Exit X0 and X1 shocks will fit the SPG front end provided that they have the spherical bearings on both ends of the shocks.

Any chance Zbroz is interested in making a more economical shock? Maybe one with out reservoirs and double rate springs?

Their shocks are great, but dang, it seems that for this new front suspension the option is stock like floats or 1k in new shocks.

Just hoping for an option C.. lol

 

[scmurs]

Thanks for the info,

Any idea when the zbroz option will be approved or not approved? Also, why no stock color offered (silver xtx arms)? kinda like to keep the stock color scheme if possible.

Thanks

Kirk

Hey Kirk,

Metal flake silver is available and on hand at SPG, we will add it to our options on our website.

As far as the Exit shocks are concerned, they fit on the new SPG front end without any problems, it is just a matter of fine tuning a set up. There is a ton of adjustability with these shocks and I see no problem getting them to where they need to be. I have a set on order to try myself and another set for a customer in BC, but we obviously will not be able to test until next season at this point.

Any chance Zbroz is interested in making a more economical shock? Maybe one with out reservoirs and double rate springs?

Their shocks are great, but dang, it seems that for this new front suspension the option is stock like floats or 1k in new shocks.

Just hoping for an option C.. lol

Sorry ruffy, I cannot speak for them, but what I have gotten from talking to them, there are no compromises with their product. Every set of shocks is built for the individual who orders them based on rider weight and riding style.

Scott

 

[ruffryder]

Sorry ruffy, I cannot speak for them, but what I have gotten from talking to them, there are no compromises with their product. Every set of shocks is built for the individual who orders them based on rider weight and riding style.

Scott

Yah, that is what I figured, it just seems like the options for this front end are low end floats or full tilt floats or coil shocks. There isn't an option for lowend shock setup on the sled. While Zboz are awesome, I doubt there are many that can take full advantage of what they offer.

I just want to get rid of my floats I guess....

 

[tapex_07]

Bottle, the shock doesnt move in a curved motion. Because the lower mount is moved forward 4.5" the top of the shock is then at an angle and that is where the spherical end is put in.

 

[..SNAKEBIT..]

I would have to think as the lower arm moves
the shock has to angle more as its compressed
traveling thru its motion. Making the solid ends impossiable to use IMO. Wish I had the cash I would order a set

 

[ruffryder]

I would have to think as the lower arm moves
the shock has to angle more as its compressed
traveling thru its motion. Making the solid ends impossiable to use IMO. Wish I had the cash I would order a set

that is correct, the angle of the shock would change with suspension movement.

 

[yammi4ever]

Thanks for the info,

Any idea when the zbroz option will be approved or not approved? Also, why no stock color offered (silver xtx arms)? kinda like to keep the stock color scheme if possible.

Thanks

Kirk

Hey Kirk,

Metal flake silver is available and on hand at SPG, we will add it to our options on our website.

As far as the Exit shocks are concerned, they fit on the new SPG front end without any problems, it is just a matter of fine tuning a set up. There is a ton of adjustability with these shocks and I see no problem getting them to where they need to be. I have a set on order to try myself and another set for a customer in BC, but we obviously will not be able to test until next season at this point.

Any chance Zbroz is interested in making a more economical shock? Maybe one with out reservoirs and double rate springs?

Their shocks are great, but dang, it seems that for this new front suspension the option is stock like floats or 1k in new shocks.

Just hoping for an option C.. lol

Sorry ruffy, I cannot speak for them, but what I have gotten from talking to them, there are no compromises with their product. Every set of shocks is built for the individual who orders them based on rider weight and riding style.

Scott

Ok, so if i decide to pull the trigger and order what will I have to do to get the zbroz, can you pm me a price . And what will I be up against. Will I have to have them valved approximately by zbroz so I can assemble the front end, then send them in later for a proper valving after riding some next winter. Don't want to give up too much riding time, you know how these midwest winters can be.

I have no problem putting in the ball joints myself, that I see on your order page, but don't want to have to monkey around sending the shocks back several times to get it right (rather not send them back at all lol)


Thanks for the color option of stock silver.

kirk

 

[AKrider]

The spherical bearings are a nice solution to the shock angle issue. The prototype Yamaha front end used altered shock mounts on the subframe. The mounts were angled differently from stock and welded in a different spot. This would not be practical from an aftermarket stand point.

 

[ruffryder]

The spherical bearings are a nice solution to the shock angle issue. The prototype Yamaha front end used altered shock mounts on the subframe. The mounts were angled differently from stock and welded in a different spot. This would not be practical from an aftermarket stand point.

any pics of the prototype?

 

[AKrider]

No unfortunately. It was more cobbed together than you'd imagine. The tie rod mounts on the spindles were cut off and rewelded in a different location to help lessen bump steer. The body work had to be cut and modified to fit the longer subframe since it increased the wheelbase by 3". The subframe and a-arms were made of steel. Later versions used aluminum for the subframe. I always thought it was stupid that Yamaha never put the revised geometry into production. They were doing basically the same thing as the Skin kit. They wanted to increase the wheelbase so the sled would feel like the motor was more in the middle and improve the handling.

 

[bradthebest]

to modify the fox shocks you have to bore the holes out for the bearings to fit ? and this is why it is 200$ ?

how much is it for just the bearings ? its a little inconvenient to ship from canada and back just to get two holes enlarged and bearings pressed in .

Brad,

We calculated the $189 Fox Float retrofit price based on machining the shocks ( bore ends and machine the retaining ring grooves ), the spherical bearings involved ( not cheap ), bearing installation, all spacers/o-rings required for installation AND return shipping to U.S. based customers.

Thanks for the response im cheap and had to know

We have some limitations with our shopping cart software regarding International orders and how we had to set up the upgrade pricing that included shipping, but we will only need to add $10 more to return ship to Canada and $25 more to return ship to Sweden/Norway/Finland.

It costs $40 to ship a 10# package to Canada and almost $60 to Scandinavia.

This is a significant savings compared to purchasing a new set of shocks that will also have additional shipping costs associated with them.

Scott

that sounds good i was just curious why they were so much more expensive than the others .

 

[casaflyr]

I have an 08 mtx with the standard shocks, will this kit fit or do I have to go to Floats to make it work. If I have to move to Floats this starts getting pretty spendy for me.