nytrose
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The head hounchos over in Japan are not stupid. Believe me. The snowmobile division is but a small part of their overall business.
Yamaha has a loyal following and will not sacrifice quality over quantity.
They have built a brand on quality,period. All of us that own one of their products will agree. There may be things we dont like but thats the nature of the beast.The snowmobile business is nickle and dime and Yamaha, weather good or bad has positioned itself in the market place as a leader in four stroke technology and reliability. They are betting the bank on it. They know they can't be everything to everyone and that is their position. I guess when your over 40 certain things are more important.
Yamaha has a loyal following and will not sacrifice quality over quantity.
They have built a brand on quality,period. All of us that own one of their products will agree. There may be things we dont like but thats the nature of the beast.The snowmobile business is nickle and dime and Yamaha, weather good or bad has positioned itself in the market place as a leader in four stroke technology and reliability. They are betting the bank on it. They know they can't be everything to everyone and that is their position. I guess when your over 40 certain things are more important.
jds1000
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nytrose said:
I agree with you on the quality over quantity choice but are you talking about the riding experience or build quality.The riding season is short and I want my riding to be a quality experience. I don't feel that a sled needing aftermarket ski's and constant "tweeking" to be a quality riding experience. I don't like riding a sled that darts and pitches all over the trail to be a quality experience. I don't want my wife to ride a sled that scares the hell out of her. I also don't feel that numb fingers add to a quality riding experience. I'm also thinking that spending 45 min every morning chipping 45 lbs of ice out of the tunnel on backpack trips has nothing to do with a quality riding experience. You can't tell me that all those head honchos over in Japan can't build us a sled that is quality built and gives a quality riding experience. I don't think we have to sacrifice a sled that rides and handles awesome for one that is quality built. I guess if Yamaha loyalists are willing to make that sacrifice then Yamaha won't have to change a thing. As for me I don't feel I'm sacrificing anything with my XR 1200.
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I agree, they don't sacrifice it in the Bike world..
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your right...economics boys...believe it or not..
sleds are not a profitable division for them...for that matter all the manufacturers are "on a thin margin"...
I mean think of this...
In 1996 I snowchecked two sx 700's at $6200? each..
I just bought a 2009 XTX for $6,999 with a four yr warranty...
you can bet your apples the margins were double in 96 vs now..
arteeex
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I got 5-bucks on this string going to nine pages.
Registrations are up again so people are either still buying new sleds or pulling the old junk out of the barn to ride. Data isn't detailed enough to show what the source is. Dealers are the ones getting hurt right now.
Buddy of mine just ordered a new Cat turbo. He priced it out at our friendly local dealer, but ordered it from one that is 100+ miles away. That dealer is making a whopping $76 on the sale. I know what the dealer cost is on that sled, holdbacks, all that stuff. Same for all the Yamaha's. Crazy what some dealers will do. Guess maybe they bank on sales of parts/accessories to make it up.
Hmm.. maybe that is what Yamaha does to help their dealers. Make a sled that requires a bunch of extra gook to make it work right so the dealers can sell them that stuff. I'm happy with how my Attak works now, UNHAPPY as to how much extra I had to spend to get it there.
Buddy of mine just ordered a new Cat turbo. He priced it out at our friendly local dealer, but ordered it from one that is 100+ miles away. That dealer is making a whopping $76 on the sale. I know what the dealer cost is on that sled, holdbacks, all that stuff. Same for all the Yamaha's. Crazy what some dealers will do. Guess maybe they bank on sales of parts/accessories to make it up.
Hmm.. maybe that is what Yamaha does to help their dealers. Make a sled that requires a bunch of extra gook to make it work right so the dealers can sell them that stuff. I'm happy with how my Attak works now, UNHAPPY as to how much extra I had to spend to get it there.
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WHATS THE TITHER ALL ABOUT?
i dont buy my sleds based upon someone ealses likes and dislikes.
i bought my apex coming from a skidoo. and bought my nytro xtx after riding a friends. its what i wanted. i drove the new skidoo . i love the motor on my yamaha. i didnt think yamaha guys had such thin skin. who gives a #*$&@ what other people say. IF THEY ALL JUMPED OFF A CLIFF? WOULD YOU. buy what makes you happy. competition is good for all of us. makes better machines
i dont buy my sleds based upon someone ealses likes and dislikes.
i bought my apex coming from a skidoo. and bought my nytro xtx after riding a friends. its what i wanted. i drove the new skidoo . i love the motor on my yamaha. i didnt think yamaha guys had such thin skin. who gives a #*$&@ what other people say. IF THEY ALL JUMPED OFF A CLIFF? WOULD YOU. buy what makes you happy. competition is good for all of us. makes better machines
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Re: WHATS THE TITHER ALL ABOUT?
While I agree with this, but the original topic got derailed and now people are just bitching on what it takes to make it handle and ride better since Yamaha seems to put on a junk setup right out of the crate and people are just venting on how much more money it cost to make it better.
DANX123 said:
While I agree with this, but the original topic got derailed and now people are just bitching on what it takes to make it handle and ride better since Yamaha seems to put on a junk setup right out of the crate and people are just venting on how much more money it cost to make it better.
stopdropanroll
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We just need some snow, Although I think there is some great opinions in this threadits getting close to being :exc: 
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Not a fair comparison. You bought that XTX during the off season in a horrible economy. Dealer saw a chance to unload it and cut his losses.sj said:
Mighty said:
regardless....the $2200 rebate speaks volumes...even the full retail considering how much more goes into these sleds now proves the point..
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Mighty said:
Jealous?
SledFreak said:Mighty said:
Jealous?
my thoughts exactly
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In the bike world Yamaha sells a few hundred thousands vehicles a year, like in 200000+ bikes, and they sell at a higher price than a sled.
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Funny how I remember a phone call from someone that asked about trading his brand new XTX for my XPsj said:SledFreak said:Mighty said:
Jealous?
my thoughts exactly
Not jealous at all, if I wanted one I would have bought one
Andy, you know damn well you're gonna be on an XP as soon as you see the HP you want out of that 1200
