So, should I buy a sidewinder??

[XP123]

Joe, I was wondering about that...haha.

Did Don have any of those LE's left? I may have to drop in there again to see those.

Did they go over your sled?

Dan

Yes Don still had the 50ths there. My wife really liked the look of them and hated the look of the G4 Renegades. She will be looking to order in the Spring and says there is no way she wants a Renegade that looks like that. I mentioned that she might like the Viper if they go with the SW plastic but Don thought we wouldn't like it. He said the Viper engine is very jumpy and nowhere near as smooth as the SW. He went as far as saying he hated riding it because of the engine. I know when I let her ride my SW last year she liked how smooth and quiet it was and she thought it rode and handled great. She even said she thought it felt more fun than her 1200. I know she doesn't need 200 hp but the SW is just as happy riding groomed trails @50-75 mph as it is going triple digits across a lake. They are a couple grand more but at this point who cares. I didn't bring my sled in I just picked up my replacement rollers and a new sheet of that foil by the gas tank. To be honest I only put 1500 miles on my Winder and there isn't anything it really needs as far as warranty goes. I will be changing my oil, filter and chain case oil. I also installed my clutch parts and I will be repacking my drive shaft and jackshaft bearings.

 

[SumpBuster]

Yes Don still had the 50ths there. My wife really liked the look of them and hated the look of the G4 Renegades. She will be looking to order in the Spring and says there is no way she wants a Renegade that looks like that. I mentioned that she might like the Viper if they go with the SW plastic but Don thought we wouldn't like it. He said the Viper engine is very jumpy and nowhere near as smooth as the SW. He went as far as saying he hated riding it because of the engine. I know when I let her ride my SW last year she liked how smooth and quiet it was and she thought it rode and handled great. She even said she thought it felt more fun than her 1200. I know she doesn't need 200 hp but the SW is just as happy riding groomed trails @50-75 mph as it is going triple digits across a lake. They are a couple grand more but at this point who cares. I didn't bring my sled in I just picked up my replacement rollers and a new sheet of that foil by the gas tank. To be honest I only put 1500 miles on my Winder and there isn't anything it really needs as far as warranty goes. I will be changing my oil, filter and chain case oil. I also installed my clutch parts and I will be repacking my drive shaft and jackshaft bearings.

That's exactly what I'm looking for, like our supercharged mustang, a real grocery getter until 2500 or so when the boost comes in. Sometimes I have to work with the apex in the woods, while the NA 3 cylinder's just paste and go...too much juice at engagement for quick woods finessing! I like the mellow bottom end of the sw's, and then what you want when the trees clear!

 

[Pstn head]

hey steve

Yes Don still had the 50ths there. My wife really liked the look of them and hated the look of the G4 Renegades. She will be looking to order in the Spring and says there is no way she wants a Renegade that looks like that. I mentioned that she might like the Viper if they go with the SW plastic but Don thought we wouldn't like it. He said the Viper engine is very jumpy and nowhere near as smooth as the SW. He went as far as saying he hated riding it because of the engine. I know when I let her ride my SW last year she liked how smooth and quiet it was and she thought it rode and handled great. She even said she thought it felt more fun than her 1200. I know she doesn't need 200 hp but the SW is just as happy riding groomed trails @50-75 mph as it is going triple digits across a lake. They are a couple grand more but at this point who cares. I didn't bring my sled in I just picked up my replacement rollers and a new sheet of that foil by the gas tank. To be honest I only put 1500 miles on my Winder and there isn't anything it really needs as far as warranty goes. I will be changing my oil, filter and chain case oil. I also installed my clutch parts and I will be repacking my drive shaft and jackshaft bearings.

XP123 would you happen to have the part # for the foil by the gas tank? Is this foil an update for the 18?

 

[Finesy]

Yes Don still had the 50ths there. My wife really liked the look of them and hated the look of the G4 Renegades. She will be looking to order in the Spring and says there is no way she wants a Renegade that looks like that. I mentioned that she might like the Viper if they go with the SW plastic but Don thought we wouldn't like it. He said the Viper engine is very jumpy and nowhere near as smooth as the SW. He went as far as saying he hated riding it because of the engine. I know when I let her ride my SW last year she liked how smooth and quiet it was and she thought it rode and handled great. She even said she thought it felt more fun than her 1200. I know she doesn't need 200 hp but the SW is just as happy riding groomed trails @50-75 mph as it is going triple digits across a lake. They are a couple grand more but at this point who cares. I didn't bring my sled in I just picked up my replacement rollers and a new sheet of that foil by the gas tank. To be honest I only put 1500 miles on my Winder and there isn't anything it really needs as far as warranty goes. I will be changing my oil, filter and chain case oil. I also installed my clutch parts and I will be repacking my drive shaft and jackshaft bearings.

My wife likes the way the 18 RTX 50th she’s running handles so far. She says it’s really easy to cruise at 40mph, a quiet warm sled for her. The quality of the shocks and seat enhance the ride. Hey, if it keeps her out there with me.......

 

[XP123]

hey steve

XP123 would you happen to have the part # for the foil by the gas tank? Is this foil an update for the 18?

I'll check tomorrow.

 

[hibshman25]

I challenge anyone to make a 137 transfer.....it wont without serious change in rear mounting location.

There were a ton of us tried all the normal things, blocks removed all winter and strap lengthened longest...I guess it does not matter how many times I type this.

Challenge accepted...

 

[hibshman25]

We rode 137 inch sleds and those don't transfer,have heavy steering and only pull away from a stock apex after 90 mph. I know we ran them against each other in the back of the pack. Drone?? I must ride fast enough that it was never a problem. Tug boat feel? Not sure on that either as I never had trouble keeping up and have lighter sleds (2 stroke) and I have those also sitting in the garage I could ride Looking forward to winter to find out if my 129 inch works better

I have a product that address the heavy steering. It's called MPS...mechanical power steering.

 

[VX1R]

I challenge anyone to make a 137 transfer.....it wont without serious change in rear mounting location.

Hey Dan... It sounds like a serious challenge. I had my 137" skid LTX-LE skid transferring pretty good last season. Once we get some decent snow to test this season I'll report back but so far with just a few minor tweaks it transfers and handles great.

I've never driven a 129" skid SW so I can't compare apples to apples but I'm all in for this challenge.

It should be interesting to see what Travis has up his sleeve.

 

[SumpBuster]

I think Travis will come up with something interesting!

Transfer is an interesting topic. Then again if we all still had bogey wheels, it wouldn't be! Theres really
only a few ways to lift the front or take weight off. One 300 pound friend had great transfer on a long track Machz, but with me on, next to nothing! The other factor is when the track becomes slack under the slides from acceleration, the front arm extends from spring pressure, transferring weight off the skis. And traction plays a big part, as in track design, and again weight shifted rearward. I would typically set my front limiters so at full extention, the skis would still be touching the ground, but barely. Then it's up to the front spring to be able to help lift the weight off the skis under acceleration. Sorry for rambling, but I love fooling with suspension adjustments from our days on our grass drag strip. Nicely set up 600''s have laid waste to 800''s many times by traction and transfer! Embarrassing to have a 600 beat a well tuned mach z in 500 ft! That spinning has to translate to going forward somehow, and on snow alone, studs don't do much. But my huge friend had great transfer on every sled he owned!LOL!

 

[krm]

All this talk and no talk about the thing being home .

 

[Doc Harley]

Well, there ya go Dan. Lol.

Transfer....Once someone feels the need to fix it. It would be done. Funny how that works.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Hey Dan... It sounds like a serious challenge. I had my 137" skid LTX-LE skid transferring pretty good last season. Once we get some decent snow to test this season I'll report back but so far with just a few minor tweaks it transfers and handles great.

I've never driven a 129" skid SW so I can't compare apples to apples but I'm all in for this challenge.

It should be interesting to see what Travis has up his sleeve.

You may be onto something with the lighter torsions out back for sure...

I would love to go that route for Toms LTX but he is a "big" guy, and so that was out.lol I know the removal of blocks did not do anything for my weight on his 137. Will be a nice comparo this season as Im hoping the 129 gets down and digs hard like my 12 did. I would think it will be similar to the 12.

 

[krm]

The front arm angle is too flat .Remove the front inner wheels ,then lower the mounting position of the front arm on the rails

 

[SumpBuster]

All this talk and no talk about the thing being home .

My sled's are at a dealer for some service I don't feel like doing, so pick up time will be crucial....lol...or maybe that was an excuse to go to the dealer, drool, tell my wife I need more torque, and write a check....we shall see!

 

[krm]

My sled's are at a dealer for some service I don't feel like doing, so pick up time will be crucial....lol...or maybe that was an excuse to go to the dealer, drool, tell my wife I need more torque, and write a check....we shall see!

Apexs or new Sidewinders .?You might not wake up tomorrow ?God Forbid !!Get that winder and Enjoy !!