Viper vs 1200 Doo-which will be faster?

[SledFreak]

He said the 1200 not the etec 600

He saying that because the suspension and seats are the same between the 1200 and etec 600.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I never rode a 1200 yet, but i suspect the skid and seat would give a similar ride as 600etec. although the front end is much lighter on 6e.

If the viper rides similar to my cat(same skid and chassis) Then their is no comparison to Rmotion.

If the 1200 doo had updated XS platform/plastics I would be all over the 4tec.

As for now, im highly considering a 2 stroke for the first time since my 06 apex. For anyone who has not rode a 600 or 800etec, the weight is so flickable and easy to ride in big junk, no sweating or being sore at end of day from the 4 stroke weight.

Ive been reading DOO guys say this for yrs, as I rode my 4 stroke apex and now cat too.. I used to say who cares about 50-100lbs extra. But man o man, they are right....ride a 600/800etec back to back on a tight twisty trail with an apex or new cat 4 stroke or even a nytro. NIGHT AND DAY!

Best of both worlds would be keeping my cat turbo with power that is so sick, and have a 6Etec too for tight rough trails. best both worlds.

not one sled will do everything perfect unfortunately.


Dan

 

[2008 Nytro RTX]

But ride a 600 or 800 n then ride a Viper,How will it compare

 

[70superbee]

On Saturday I rode Arctic cats 7000 lxr and yes it will out handle my 06 attak and feels way lighter. The low end is very good but going 50 and open her up it felt pretty flat in acceleration but the trails were very loose. In the woods it handled really well but with no studs you can just slide the rear around and go, the sled didn't have any ski lift and that was nice. It is very quiet going down the trails no exhaust drone. They said they were still working on the fuel mapping and clutching yet, the seat is in my opinion is very poor in comfort, the hump they have in it is really annoying and would make you sore.
After the ride I rode my new sled 800 pro r switchback on the same trail and I would say it is slower than my 800 on the straight a ways and in the woods you can fell the weight difference between them but the 7000 lxr does handle really well. If I wouldn't have bought a new sled this year the viper would be in the running for next year. Just my take on that sled.

Richie R

 

[Nytro40th]

Thanks for the review.

 

[yami123]

Only clutch work on the viper, added 121 monoshock and has a 1 inch hacksaw with 144 studs. Nytro is an 09 rtx se, has oft 136" extensions with ripsaw II 1.25" K&N filters and Hauck fuel controller from Ulmer. I haven't played with the fuel controller but I do know its not pouring the fuel to it because it was getting normal mileage. No idea what's done to the clutching its stock as far as I know. Setup the way I bought it. I would add fuel but I don't want the mileage to go away as the range with the 6 gallon tank is bad enough as it is.

The nytro should hand that viper it's #*$&@ all day long. You either have a really fast viper or really slow nytro.....

 

[Bad Attitude]

Gee if the 1200 Skidoo runs so well perhaps the yellow shirts can run it at next years shootout in Old Forge. The 600 etec has been a boat anchor for the past few years. Oh Yamaha has won the 600 class the past two years with a 127 horse Vector LTX. Not bad for an over weight tecnological defective snowmobile. Now the Viper comes along. The yellow shirts better not be counting their chickens yet.

 

[kkraus]

I ride an 09 XTX and my buddy has a skidoo 1200 Renegade. We have run about 1500 trail miles this year. We ride fast and have been riding for years. Our fuel consumption is almost identical at fuel ups, many side by side WOT pulls on wide trails are side by side up to 90 or 95. Top speed on my dream meter fluctuates between 98-101 and he said his is 105-107. He pulled up stored top speed on his speedo and it indeed said 107. I sure would like to know what the new Viper has for the 1200 next year because it would be nice to have bragging rights for a change I'm on the fence about buying a new one for next season. I have had yamahas for the last 30 years and this Nytro XTX has been as good as any. I have had it 5 seasons and have clocked 8300 miles on it with no serious issues. I guess I will have to think about it some more. A super charger or turbo option would make my wallet open up very easily.

 

[ruffrider]

I own a 1200 right now and I demo'd the Viper on Saturday. Judging by the power on the trails, the Viper should kick its #*$&@. My 1200 is not very quick up to about 80. It does have long legs though. The Viper felt a little more powerful to me than my 09 Nytro but maybe that was the clutching.

 

[kkraus]

I hope your right ruffrider!

 

[2008 Nytro RTX]

Only clutch work on the viper, added 121 monoshock and has a 1 inch hacksaw with 144 studs. Nytro is an 09 rtx se, has oft 136" extensions with ripsaw II 1.25" K&N filters and Hauck fuel controller from Ulmer. I haven't played with the fuel controller but I do know its not pouring the fuel to it because it was getting normal mileage. No idea what's done to the clutching its stock as far as I know. Setup the way I bought it. I would add fuel but I don't want the mileage to go away as the range with the 6 gallon tank is bad enough as it is.

The nytro should hand that viper it's #*$&@ all day long. You either have a really fast viper or really slow nytro.....

agreed,My friend had an 02 viper stock vs my Nytro stock and i handed him his #*$&@ like i stated before. was not even a contest

 

[Dano]

I ride an 09 XTX and my buddy has a skidoo 1200 Renegade. We have run about 1500 trail miles this year. We ride fast and have been riding for years. Our fuel consumption is almost identical at fuel ups, many side by side WOT pulls on wide trails are side by side up to 90 or 95. Top speed on my dream meter fluctuates between 98-101 and he said his is 105-107. He pulled up stored top speed on his speedo and it indeed said 107.

The doo speedos are just as far off as the older yamies dream meters. More current yamies have more accurate speedos then the new doos. Just a FYI as I have both.

Dan

 

[journeyman]

Only clutch work on the viper, added 121 monoshock and has a 1 inch hacksaw with 144 studs. Nytro is an 09 rtx se, has oft 136" extensions with ripsaw II 1.25" K&N filters and Hauck fuel controller from Ulmer. I haven't played with the fuel controller but I do know its not pouring the fuel to it because it was getting normal mileage. No idea what's done to the clutching its stock as far as I know. Setup the way I bought it. I would add fuel but I don't want the mileage to go away as the range with the 6 gallon tank is bad enough as it is.

The nytro should hand that viper it's #*$&@ all day long. You either have a really fast viper or really slow nytro.....

agreed,My friend had an 02 viper stock vs my Nytro stock and i handed him his #*$&@ like i stated before. was not even a contest

That doesn't happen with my 2002. Mine is a strong runner. Gotta get a good track and clutch it properly and you can get the old Vipers to haul the mail. Granted it doesn't ride as good as the newer stuff.


Back to the main topic. Let's not forget one thing, the Doo is a 1200 and the Nytro motor is a 1050 so there is a 150cc spread here. It seems the largers cc's play a big role in top end.

 

[Bpatch50]

Back to the main topic. Let's not forget one thing, the Doo is a 1200 and the Nytro motor is a 1050 so there is a 150cc spread here. It seems the largers cc's play a big role in top end.

You could be right but I still think it has more to do with the chassis. My buddies XTX would pull 107 in less than perfect conditions all day long. My SE would only hit 99 in the same runs. Our other buddy with a base model would pull 102. I had a cobra track which didn't help.

But I agree people forget about the difference in CCs. Take a Nytro to a machine shop and throw a big bore kit in and see how close those two sleds are.

 

[journeyman]

Back to the main topic. Let's not forget one thing, the Doo is a 1200 and the Nytro motor is a 1050 so there is a 150cc spread here. It seems the largers cc's play a big role in top end.

You could be right but I still think it has more to do with the chassis. My buddies XTX would pull 107 in less than perfect conditions all day long. My SE would only hit 99 in the same runs. Our other buddy with a base model would pull 102. I had a cobra track which didn't help.

But I agree people forget about the difference in CCs. Take a Nytro to a machine shop and throw a big bore kit in and see how close those two sleds are.

I know this is one case but the funny thing is this is how the 2006 to 2010 Apexes are. The 136's normally will take a short track 121" stock for stock.