2020 Release

[soldi]

Predictions for 2020

Polaris - pro rmk 850 new front end (again) and better display, and belt drive for 3" tracks

Skidoo - summit 850 and no more coil springs (Tom's emotion like solution)

Arctic - 4 stroke alpha, belt drive, and fishing sled

Yamaha - 4 stroke alpha (mountain max) and fishing sled.

There next years top tier sleds..

 

[STAIN]

I think you will see the Alpha skid in a trail sled.......

 

[Sasquatch]

8000 miles on my viper ,2400 on my Sidewinder. All miles ridden by me.
The Procross HAS been updated and refined since 2012, you having not owned one or ridden for any period of time would not know or apparently care about that.
You are the one that started the Delta is king Procross is junk conversation, and you are in the vast minority.
I find it harder and harder to believe your posts.....

I did not start it but I do like to argue it, anytime one mentions the Apex it is instantly followed by it is junk old outdated crap chassis. If you wish to point out the refinements to the chaincase oil tank drive shaft and brakes I'll listen. I'm glad you like your PC but it was not you who asked why us DB riders are not jumping onto the procross. You only responded to the answer defending your PC and slaming the DB. The other part where the DB and its riders where being slammed you missed. Why? As a PC rider you probably just didn't notice or care. You can't accept that the Apex is a more refined sled and of better quality and that is why people do not want to switch. Ride your PC enjoy it and I will ride my DB and enjoy it at least we are riding. Both happy on the snow. I love my Apex 12,000 miles and hardly broke in. Good for 12,000 more! Why switch? If it was only me who won't switch why worry about it?

 

[Sasquatch]

Squatch I'm with STAIN on his last post.

Paty123 I disagreed! And Paty123 your the one who started it all with the Junk Box comment. LOL

 

[STAIN]

I am not slamming the DB. You just fail to see it is not perfect. I am pointing it out. None of them are perfect.

"refinements to the chaincase oil tank drive shaft and brakes"-=-I don't consider those to be chassis parts but yes there have been changes made over the course of the run. The Chassis to me is the frame, suspension of the vehicle. The backbone. If you have ridden a 2012 procross, a 2014 procross and a 2018 procross, you would see and feel that evolution. My guess is that you have not.

"that the Apex is a more refined sled and of better quality"---nope. it may fit together better, but does not work together better.

"You only responded to the answer defending your PC and slaming the DB"-- I only pointed out the DB ALSO has its shortcomings, it is NOT the gold standard as much as you hope it to be. If it was they would still make it. And they would not be 4th in sales.

Like I said I have put over 10,000 miles on the DB AND the Procross. I am not speculating. I have real world experience. I also do all the work on all my sleds plus a bunch of others. I have many hours taking apart both and reasembling

Go ride your sled and be happy. You obliviously love your sled. Flip down your blue visor and pile on the miles.

And check your front end bushings--they are probably worn.

 

[TPAY243]

I might have started the argument between the DB and PC but this is what I did to my old trusty Apex after I rode the Viper .

 

[VX1R]

My boys Frick and Frack (Frick is the one with the carbs, I mean binoculars) just sent me another sighting of what could possibly be the new big block four stroke that's coming down the pipe in 2020:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=584603715069961

I'm wondering what our pal Sasquatch thinks of this one?

 

[TPAY243]

That is awesome

 

[Sasquatch]

I am not slamming the DB. You just fail to see it is not perfect. I am pointing it out. None of them are perfect.

"refinements to the chaincase oil tank drive shaft and brakes"-=-I don't consider those to be chassis parts but yes there have been changes made over the course of the run. The Chassis to me is the frame, suspension of the vehicle. The backbone. If you have ridden a 2012 procross, a 2014 procross and a 2018 procross, you would see and feel that evolution. My guess is that you have not.

"that the Apex is a more refined sled and of better quality"---nope. it may fit together better, but does not work together better.

"You only responded to the answer defending your PC and slaming the DB"-- I only pointed out the DB ALSO has its shortcomings, it is NOT the gold standard as much as you hope it to be. If it was they would still make it. And they would not be 4th in sales.

Like I said I have put over 10,000 miles on the DB AND the Procross. I am not speculating. I have real world experience. I also do all the work on all my sleds plus a bunch of others. I have many hours taking apart both and reasembling

Go ride your sled and be happy. You obliviously love your sled. Flip down your blue visor and pile on the miles.

And check your front end bushings--they are probably worn.

And there is where our problem lies, what is the chassis? Is it the whole or the part? As the definition changes somewhat from one site to another. So say all others say only the frame. It leaves us with all that is cat and the rest Yamaha. The Cat part includes the drive train from the trans on and that is no where near as refined. If you want to talk just the bones of the sled with the suspension attached minus the drive train then Im all for it.

Sorry I disagree Apex much better quality

I have no blue visor, sorry to disappoint you. I rode Cat before I switched to Yamaha and rode Doo before that. I'll ride whatever brand can top my Apex in performance quality durability and strength. So far only Yamaha is it and as Yamaha does not manufacture sleds anymore that leaves Cat, Doo or POO The Cat does intrigue me but I don't like the drive train past the clutches. Chassis is goodish but hate the way it kicks me forward on every bump. Seating is crowded for me and I have to sit on the very back of the seat. Then the steering its to stiff and un EPS like. No I can't ride green.

I have been working on cars, trucks, sleds, boats, motorcycles for over 45 years. My father was a mechanic my brothers are mechanics I learned at my fathers side and like all things mechanical so I'm not sure if you think I don't understand or can not work on a sled or just trying to impress me.

The quality and refinement that went into the 2011 up Apex is leaps and bounds ahead of the previous Apex and RX. I can tell I've had them apart. I prep the sled every year. The RX had a horrible rear proaction and yep it wore out the bushings and the donuts. I replaced the rear skid and the bushings, swapped out the titanium pipes for older stainless and if that sled had EPS I would still ride it as a primary sled cause it is one sweet ride now. That AD Boivin lands like on a feather pillow. Shoulder troubles are a bitch so I bought an Apex with EPS.

I'm not sure what homework I'm supposed to do but

 

[74Nitro]

I would define the chassis primarily as the tunnel through to the front frame. Drivetrain is clutches, jackshaft, chaincase and drive axle. Don't think I need to define suspension as you guys are obviously very knowledgeable.
Sasquatch, I am in complete agreement about the chaincase on the Winders. They are just fair. The Apex chaincase is better, but the hands-down winner of best chaincase EVER goes to the Nytro and Phazer. What a beautifully engineered design that is. So easy to change a track on those.
I'm don't think the oil tank design on the Cat is bad, I just don't like that they didn't use a proper gasket. The Apex and Nytro oil tanks could have been much better also. They eventually crack and leak or the mounting tabs crack too.
I really think that if Cat and Yamaha built a machine from the ground up TOGETHER combining their best ideas it would be just awesome.

 

[Snorunner]

My boys Frick and Frack (Frick is the one with the carbs, I mean binoculars) just sent me another sighting of what could possibly be the new big block four stroke that's coming down the pipe in 2020:

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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=584603715069961

I'm wondering what our pal Sasquatch thinks of this one?

Sure has a nice heartbeat of America!

 

[provfisherman]

Okay so since everyone is trying to get this discussion to 100 pages, just thought I would jump into the fray and add my 2 cents worth. First have to say that I favor the Yamaha DB style machine over the Procross Yamaha units (kinda with Sasquatch on this). But my preference has nothing to do with which one is better quality, or ride, or plushness, or any of those other apparent flaws that have been discussed here for both styles.

For me it is all about rider positioning on the sled. Now I will freely admit that I have never ridden a unit with the Procross chassis, but I have ridden other rider forward machines (Polaris, Ski-Doo) and just not a fan of the sitting position. I am an old school rider, learned to ride on the more traditional 'sit down' style of the old IFS chassis machines and I still prefer that riding position. But since I am also a big 4 stroke guy, and since there seems to be little argument that Yamaha 4 strokes are high quality power plants, traditional Yamaha with it's sit down rider positioning was my choice, and I have not regretted it yet. Is my machine choice better then yours? Maybe, maybe not, but since we all have a choice, we can do what we want with our money and buy and ride what we like.

So as many have said on here, ride what you like and enjoy the ride on whatever frame style you like and enjoy that we all have a choice. If that does not work for you, argue on!

 

[Mototown]

This will be along the lines of 2020 for Yamaha , minus the electric motor
Notice skinny rear suspension.....

 

[Mototown]

I would take a updated Apex chassis over my current sidewinder chassis, with upgrades . Yamaha just needed to raise seat heights & lose 40 -50 lbs to have a better chassis than the Arctic cat ...just imagine the top speeds (&belt life) of the winder in a Yamaha chassis...

 

[Deeppow16]

I have something that has not been mentioned in here before. Yamaha has there own line of dirt bikes so It could be very possible for them to come out with their own snow bike setup. I know theres not many people on this site that ride them but I feel like Yamaha could design something without having a ton of time into it since they don't have to design like 2/3 of it because its already down. I know out west the snow bike is really growing in popularity. This is just a thought since nothing new has been said in awhile.