2020 Release

[srx700lt]

The 540 in the VK is a design since late seventies, when it was reintroduced into NA they only needed to do some changes to the ignition and carburetors to get it past EPA demands, at least that's what I've been told. So I believe know how is there but I doubt it will be put in use in a sled.

They have however a couple of nice 4-stroke that could fit in a sled, from the Tracer 700, a 689cc twin at 75hp and from Tracer 900 a 847cc tripple at 115hp. Both are used in a variety of bikes so they shouldn't cost to much to incorporate in a sled solution I think. Or I should say hope.....

And as long as I'm dreaming, I hope they bring back the 2002 SRX-700. With todays tech they should be able to squeeze some more power out of it....

 

[74Nitro]

Very valid point. And please don't take my tone the wrong way, just be sure you have done some homework.

As you so pointed out, all manufacturers use older technology if it works. The doo Ace 900 is not a new engine, The Ace 900T is not a new application of that engine. The newness of it is it's application is in a sled. But the engine has had a few years under it's belt. Doo is not so stupid to put 100% new technology in their bread and butter line of sleds to have it fail and give them a bad name. They will leave that to Polaris who manufacture engines for single purpose use like Snowmobiles or SXS.

Yamaha may design something from the ground up, but all this talk of releasing two brand new engines from the ground up to "simplify a line" makes no business sense at all. They would utilize current technology and standardize on other components. Engine design is not a single year venture by any means. Thus the reason the 998 is coming up in so many applications. The thought process is right, but cutting off a cylinder is not the way to do it. Computer control, exhaust and induction will be more accurate.

Just like SeaDoo did with the Ace 900 engine in the Spark. Let's release a low hp model that we can easily wick up 10hp and call it high output, or let the aftermarket wick it up to 110 with a software load. Genius! Oh, and lets do a Turbo version and drop it into a SXS for class leading hp.

I get what you are saying, so as I said, I am not bashing. Just do a bit more homework before saying it's not happening. My guess is if they plan on putting out a world class EFI/DFI 2-stroke in sleds, it has been in the works for the past 5 years with tight lips. Or it will not be happening.

My opinion is that there will probably be nothing under 100hp as there re not enough sales in those categories any more. I think they will focus on the meat of the market which is 150 plus hp, and 200 hp.
I don't see any future for 2 strokes with Yamaha, if there ever was any chance of it happening, it would just be a shared model with Cat for mountain and off-trail market.
Personally I don't get the 2 stroke hype, I have zero desire to ever ride one again after experiencing the broad power of a four stroke, and the INSANE power of a tuned turbo four stroke.

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

My opinion is that there will probably be nothing under 100hp as there re not enough sales in those categories any more. I think they will focus on the meat of the market which is 150 plus hp, and 200 hp.
I don't see any future for 2 strokes with Yamaha, if there ever was any chance of it happening, it would just be a shared model with Cat for mountain and off-trail market.
Personally I don't get the 2 stroke hype, I have zero desire to ever ride one again after experiencing the broad power of a four stroke, and the INSANE power of a tuned turbo four stroke.

 

[Mortagleus]

Just a heads up. I read this over on a doo site.
Probably a load of crap but im not a crap expert.

"dpach, on 05 Jan 2019 - 4:18 PM, said:

Was just in speaking to my Cat dealer who happens to sit on the dealership board in Canada. Says Textron and Yami just signed a new agreement and have a big announcement coming in March. Another dealer on the board from down east is saying Yami is bringing a 2 stroke back to their sleds in an 880cc and Cat is likely to have it also. Yami wanted their 4 stroke inventory cleaned out before this new 2020 hits so that is why no 2019 sleds as stock. Cat also just added $2K rebate on 2019 800's and $2500 on 2018, $3k on 2017s. This likely means the ctec 800 will be phased out over the next couple yrs and Cat gets the new 880 phased in.

Again, dealer info so take it for what it is."

 

[sxr70001]

Hey finally some credible rumors. That is pretty exciting if it's true. Be curious to see what a Yami 880 is capable of for power.

 

[blueironranger]

If there was a new agreement we will hear real soon, not something they could really hide from investors. I still think the 847 4 stroke twin will show up sooner rather than later in a sled. That motor is way overbuilt for SxS duty, it’s built for boost. Wolverine is going on year 3 soon and that engine hasn’t shown up in anything else yet.

 

[eou_edu]

That's post #2 that would insult 99% of us that have owned them in the past and still feel they are relevant. So rather than bash your statement, I might suggest you go do a bit of homework on Yamaha's current 2-stroke offerings around the world and get back to us. Then you can try to make that comment again that Yamaha does not make a relevant 2-stroke.

Even if that motor is in an Outboard, Stand Up Superjet (my favorite) or dirtbike, the 2-stroke technology exists and is currently kicking #*$&@ in their application. Yamaha is very good at using technology across motorsports applications. My guess is with a bit of emissions, exhaust, cooling, etc, they are not far off from an industry leading 701cc 2 stroke based on the current Yamaha SuperJet. Let alone more utility two strokes taking advantage of technology used in current 2-stroke outboards.

Just because you can't buy some of these 150-200hp 2-stroke outboards etc. in the US, doesn't mean Yamaha doesn't make them.

I think you misinterpreted my post. I didn't say the older two stroke yamahas were irrelevant. I said what yamaha built a decade ago isn't relevant to what they will release in 2020. They could very well release a 2 stroke sled but isn't going to be one they build a decade ago and what they are currently building in the 2 stroke world has to work with a sled, be thoroughly tested, and pass US emissions (which for a car takes almost 2 years).

I'm still skeptical about a 2 stroke but only time will tell.......... I would really like to see an electric sled, but that is probably another 10 years out.

 

[ritchie]

Just a heads up. I read this over on a doo site.
Probably a load of crap but im not a crap expert.

"dpach, on 05 Jan 2019 - 4:18 PM, said:

Was just in speaking to my Cat dealer who happens to sit on the dealership board in Canada. Says Textron and Yami just signed a new agreement and have a big announcement coming in March. Another dealer on the board from down east is saying Yami is bringing a 2 stroke back to their sleds in an 880cc and Cat is likely to have it also. Yami wanted their 4 stroke inventory cleaned out before this new 2020 hits so that is why no 2019 sleds as stock. Cat also just added $2K rebate on 2019 800's and $2500 on 2018, $3k on 2017s. This likely means the ctec 800 will be phased out over the next couple yrs and Cat gets the new 880 phased in.

Again, dealer info so take it for what it is."

Okay i will do my part.....Is that an 880 two stroke triple?

 

[74Nitro]

If there was a new agreement we will hear real soon, not something they could really hide from investors. I still think the 847 4 stroke twin will show up sooner rather than later in a sled. That motor is way overbuilt for SxS duty, it’s built for boost. Wolverine is going on year 3 soon and that engine hasn’t shown up in anything else yet.

It is a lower RPM engine that would be better suited to a utility sled. imo

 

[STAIN]

Okay i will do my part.....Is that an 880 two stroke triple?

That would be sweeeeeet, and a kick in the nuts for the Doo and Pol-cheese.

 

[alswagg2]

Needs to be 180 horsepower

 

[stevewithOCD]

An 880 2-stroke!
This oughta get the juices a-flowin' in this thread.

Now we need a leak to figure if this a 2 or 3 cylinder.

 

[jjmoneysauce]

I still say we will see a new equivalent to the Bravo or ET. An 880 would certainly stick it to the big bore heads.

 

[alswagg2]

This is something I quoted in 2018. This is on another past post


Well, as for 2 strokes and Yamaha. If you travel out North America, Yamaha builds and sell so many different 2 stroke motorcycles. While at Yamaha Service school we observed a 899cc Twin PWC motor with HPDI fuel injection. These are making their way to the racing stand up PWC This motor would be an easy fit to a sled. As for the Big Block 4 stroke, how about the 1800 cc supercharged motor? This has been in many machines for several years. Upwards of 300hp. Don’t ever give up on Yamaha.

 

[SumpBuster]

I do not want to see snow bikes on our groomed trails, (legally not allowed) we have enough issues with the backpacker kid standing and flipping the throttle every few minutes and causing the moguls on our trails.
Last year near pine stump we were taking a break and a huge group of these bikes came by and the narrow track on the bikes was rutting the trails like crazy.
I was told they are not allowed on the groomed trails however they were doing what they want like the people who go off trail and run loud cans when told not to.

Ah, yes, the infamous 'standduppers'!
Tough to make a fast corner! Not to be confused with legitimate backpack wearing folks that like to stand on bumps...without the 2 smoker brapping.