2024 Prototypes and Spy Photos

[74Nitro]

I saw in another post that the s4 dry weight is almost identical to the sidewinder. Having a hard time believing that. My S4 just arrived last week. I am going to have to weigh it!

Do you think it would be lighter or heavier?

 

[hibshman25]

I envisioned that the matryx chassis s4 would be a lighter sled. Honestly have not done much research on it yet.

 

[earthling]

I saw in another post that the s4 dry weight is almost identical to the sidewinder. Having a hard time believing that. My S4 just arrived last week. I am going to have to weigh it!

I questioned it as well but everywhere I look, it says the same thing. Its in their spec sheet. 594 dry. Also quoted in every mag and online vlog/video thats mentioned it. The only way I can think that this adds up is to compare them on paper of course. The 2cyl 998 with a gear driven counter balance shaft (5-8lbs?) is going to be inching close to 3cyl 998 weight while being more compact, the difference will come down to specific design and a few cam lobes and valves. That counter balance shaft is not light as it has to offset the moving forces of that 270/90 firing cycle. (meaning having one less connecting rod/piston is offset by counter balance shaft, and larger pistons, rods). All else being equal and with the displacement being the same, the total weight will be in the ballpark. Compared to its 2s cousins, throw in a chaincase with reverse, liquid cooling, an intercooler, a new airbox, battery and starter, etc on top of the new motor and weight is going to creep up fast. The indy XCR 850 btw is quoted at 474lbs but that is without electric start, throw in electric start and a battery and it will quickly climb as well, call it in the sub 500lb range but not by a whole lot. It still feels like something is missing here but we only have Polaris specs to go by.

Arctic Cat says 603 lbs dry, and the winder spec (most reliable sources) is somewhere between 587 (video of scale) and 590 (quoted) for which the difference could just be track. Intuitively, all of these sleds are going to be in the same ballpark, its not like we are seeing a lot of steel on one where the other is using carbon fiber. Doo claims 550ish for the machZ, and while I haven't seen any third party testimony, I believe it, they do a very good job of packaging. I did a bottom up evaluation of the machz and came to 558lbs so close..

Ahh, and Mark Lester said that the S4 weighs about 50lbs more than the doo 4strokes so those numbers add up as well. While I take all of Marks hyperbole as such, when he quotes specs they aren't his to make up.

 

[74Nitro]

Remember that the Suzuki twin was heavier than the 998

 

[hibshman25]

I questioned it as well but everywhere I look, it says the same thing. Its in their spec sheet. 594 dry. Also quoted in every mag and online vlog/video thats mentioned it. The only way I can think that this adds up is to compare them on paper of course. The 2cyl 998 with a gear driven counter balance shaft (5-8lbs?) is going to be inching close to 3cyl 998 weight while being more compact, the difference will come down to specific design and a few cam lobes and valves. That counter balance shaft is not light as it has to offset the moving forces of that 270/90 firing cycle. (meaning having one less connecting rod/piston is offset by counter balance shaft, and larger pistons, rods). All else being equal and with the displacement being the same, the total weight will be in the ballpark. Compared to its 2s cousins, throw in a chaincase with reverse, liquid cooling, an intercooler, a new airbox, battery and starter, etc on top of the new motor and weight is going to creep up fast. The indy XCR 850 btw is quoted at 474lbs but that is without electric start, throw in electric start and a battery and it will quickly climb as well, call it in the sub 500lb range but not by a whole lot. It still feels like something is missing here but we only have Polaris specs to go by.

Arctic Cat says 603 lbs dry, and the winder spec (most reliable sources) is somewhere between 587 (video of scale) and 590 (quoted) for which the difference could just be track. Intuitively, all of these sleds are going to be in the same ballpark, its not like we are seeing a lot of steel on one where the other is using carbon fiber. Doo claims 550ish for the machZ, and while I haven't seen any third party testimony, I believe it, they do a very good job of packaging. I did a bottom up evaluation of the machz and came to 558lbs so close..

Ahh, and Mark Lester said that the S4 weighs about 50lbs more than the doo 4strokes so those numbers add up as well. While I take all of Marks hyperbole as such, when he quotes specs they aren't his to make up.

I follow your logic. Definitely going to get a wet weight on it for sure. If Polaris is going to have a boosted version it is certainly going to weigh substantially more than a sidewinder. So even if the S4 is on par with weight it certainly feels more nimble to move around on. Hopefully maybe some snow around shop end of week and I can at least run it in the fields a little.

 

[earthling]

It would be interesting to see if the EPS winders feel as nimble as the S4 when pushed hard. The Matryx chassis definitely looks less planted, I was watching a Jesse James video about his XCR and he was bragging how planted it was and all I could see is ski-lift and push. It will certainly be easier to move around on due to how narrow it is and the natural riding position has more weight forward. Look forward to your impressions.

 

[rb2001srx700]

the raised "eyebrow" of the middle sled indicates catalyst or a reflection

After last night's Ski-Doo release, it's obvious that the only models that can take their turbo four stroke is a wider chassis. And AC is sort of following suit building the body work around the engine. If there is room for a four stroke in the catalyst, I would be surprised.

Polaris, on the other hand, left room in the matryx for Four stroke and even the sled rag guys are saying the S4 has room for a turbo in there. I would expect to see a 130hp S4 Boost for 2024

to me it looks like it's the FXR on the sleeve of the jacket

 

[RobX-1]

Considering the other sleeve has matching imprint, I suspect you are right.

 

[STAIN]

It would be interesting to see if the EPS winders feel as nimble as the S4 when pushed hard. The Matryx chassis definitely looks less planted, I was watching a Jesse James video about his XCR and he was bragging how planted it was and all I could see is ski-lift and push

Every Matryx I have ridden has terrible body roll. I just dont feel comfortable on them when riding hard.

 

[jpfleming71]

Looks like the 1049 is back with Cat for '24 in the 7000 series. https://arcticcat.txtsv.com/snowmob...tm_campaign=MY2024 Snow&f[0]=engine_size:1020

 

[1nc 2000]

Looks like the 1049 is back with Cat for '24 in the 7000 series. https://arcticcat.txtsv.com/snowmobile?utm_medium=SEM-sitelink-view-line-up&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=MY2024 Snow&f[0]=engine_size:1020

Plain model with a huge price tag.
Nobody is excited about it.

 

[Juicer]

Looks like the 1049 is back with Cat for '24 in the 7000 series. https://arcticcat.txtsv.com/snowmobile?utm_medium=SEM-sitelink-view-line-up&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=MY2024 Snow&f[0]=engine_size:1020

The 7000 should have come with EPS for that price.

 

[biffdotorg]

The 7000 should have come with EPS for that price.

No doubt.

Maybe Yamaha will stick to being the upscale version of these sleds. As there is nothing classy about bright orange and ditch pickle green. But to be upscale, that new Viper should have EPS. Some special sauce to differentiate it from the 7000.

 

[74Nitro]

I have heard that there was demand to bring it back. I am surprised that it doesn't have EPS. That would have been a huge selling feature IMO.

 

[Viper_Dean]

The 7000 should have come with EPS for that price.

The doo with 180hp is the same price as this. The 130 which is what competes is significantly less. Aside from maybe slightly better shocks or dealer location why would anyone buy this sled over that?