jimmie d
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patr, You two are ones of the very very few that have caused engine damage. Suggest you look into your usage. I have over 1,000 miles on mine with no problems , no evac and no oil and I am sure I am not alone. Hard riding, trail riding -25 riding and 32 degree riding. I believe I have only read about one or two others without evac that had the freezing problem. The new 05 riders seem to be having the most probems.
Jim
Jim
if your motor is pushing Large ammounts of Oil you have a blow by problem.
Freddie you need to chill out . I like you and I'm telling you this from experience the defencive attitude with Customers or guys thinking of becoming customers is going to catch up with you. The guys on this forum are proably 90 percent of the guys running your filters. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Freddie you need to chill out . I like you and I'm telling you this from experience the defencive attitude with Customers or guys thinking of becoming customers is going to catch up with you. The guys on this forum are proably 90 percent of the guys running your filters. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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When somebody challanges your ethics you have a right to defend yourself and that guy deserved it for his attitude and tone. If he feels so strongly call the designer. Why is this happening on a majority of 05 sleds?
Jim
Jim
greenmachine: I disagree. people have ripped the Bender Turbo on this site and you don't see Terry Paine on here ripping them a new Ahole
Plus I think it's Funny the guys on this site liek to pick and choose who can and cannot defend there products. Jeff Simons and Now Freddie seem have an open pass. When I worked with LP everyone cried to tom when I defended them.
I'm not ripping you just telling you how I feel on the topic!!!
Plus I think it's Funny the guys on this site liek to pick and choose who can and cannot defend there products. Jeff Simons and Now Freddie seem have an open pass. When I worked with LP everyone cried to tom when I defended them.
I'm not ripping you just telling you how I feel on the topic!!!
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jtssrx said:
Jason, I appreciate the concern. I really do. But, like greenmachine said, when someone questions your ethics??? This guy is claiming that I conducted no testing or R&D of the air kits. Like I said earlier...I can't compete with people willing to lie and make false statements. I told him in another post that if he desired to make a trip to ECP, I would help him...for free! Can't get better customer service than that. I am not biting the hand that feeds me. I agree that some are experienceing this oil pushing problem and I and many others have offered some viable fixes for them. How many have they tried?
SUPERTUNER
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jtssrx said:
When you are as passionate as Jeff, myself and Matt about our products and services you try to help everyone reagrdless of how they treat you. But eventually and I am sure most would agree, there needs to be a line drawn in snow. Just when do we stop taking stupid remarks and inuendoes from some people? I doubt anyone else has the customer service that Matt, myself and Jeff Simons represent. Not to say that others don't equal us as I know there are many fine performance shop owners, but I would jump through fire hoops containing the ebola virus for my customers and friends. This is called GOOD customer service.
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You have to relax guys.....my oil may be coming from the damn filter being oiled.....but hey such is life....and if this is going to be a topic that cant be handles as adults...I can remove the section all together.
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MrSled said:
I am humbly respecting you and your site sir. It only takes telephone call to me at (203)756-7019. I am always glad to help.
Freddie
Like I said I learned my leason. I to tried to help people I thought were freinds and I got screwed in the end.
I just think it's funny that some people have the freedom to say what ever they want and others don't. This is suppose to be a freindly forum. I've been yelled at by Tom when I acted up. Tom is my friend and I respect him so I've changed my tone on this forum. Plus acting like an #*$&@ doesn't get you anywhere.
I'm my opion if you have a beef with a post you should ask Tom to remove it if it's untrue. Fighting with some guy that doesn't have facts gets you no where.
I just think it's funny that some people have the freedom to say what ever they want and others don't. This is suppose to be a freindly forum. I've been yelled at by Tom when I acted up. Tom is my friend and I respect him so I've changed my tone on this forum. Plus acting like an #*$&@ doesn't get you anywhere.
I'm my opion if you have a beef with a post you should ask Tom to remove it if it's untrue. Fighting with some guy that doesn't have facts gets you no where.
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Look guys, I'm a business owner, and I appreciate customer service as much as the next guy. Maybe my post was a bit aggressive towards ECP, and to Freddie, I apologize. I also don't want to ditch the kit, but common sense also must prevail.
The fact is that we owe more to each other than we do to the retailers on this site. I already received a few minor jabs over my posting, and surely will receive more; if you look at most posts on this site, they often deteriorate quickly from useful information to emotional outbursts.
Let's not lose track of the purpose of this site, which I think is for the useful exchange of information between all of us Yamaha owners.
I'm sure if we met on the trail (with my disabled sled) or in a gas station or bar, that not only would you be interested in this problem, you probably wouldn't install the kit.
Now for the facts. I have owned over 20 Yamahas over the years, and other than a Kitty Cat years ago for the kids, we've never run anything else (and never will). When we ride, we travel, and we ride no matter how cold it is. When our RX1's iced up, it was about 5-10 below, which isn't abnormally cold. We had two of our boys on Phazers with us, and were only cruising at around 40mph the entire day; the RX1's iced up after 100 miles or so in the mid-afternoon. Due to this experience my thinking is that icing is maybe more attributed to conditions (temperature/depoint) than riding style. Anyway, a cam plug on my left side came out and oiled me up pretty good. My friend had a right-side cam plug blow out after dark. Thank Yamaha for having an easy pressure release so that nothing was damaged.
I iced up the breathers on two different aerobatic aircraft 20 years ago prior to understanding this issue (both times pushed out the crank seal, blew the oil out the front and resulted in forced landings). Regular aircraft don't have this breather icing problem; the breather is relatively short. In aerobatic aircraft, the breather is often routed all the way through the (unheated) fuselage and out the rear of the aircraft near the rudder, so as not to sling oil all over the aircraft when operating in negative-G conditions. This is often 15' or so of 1" thin aluminum tubing. The problem is that engines produce moisture, and the longer the (breather) run, the more prone the engine (at least in aircraft) is to icing the breather. Anyway, in aerobatic circles, we all learned to add a rubber hose over the aluminum tube near the warmth of the engine, drill a hole in the aluminum, and in cold conditions, to move the hose away from the hole, and in warm conditions, slide the hose back over the hole to keep your engine compartment clean.
This approach works very well in aerobatic aircraft, as most high-performance machines do not have heat, and aren't routinely operated in the winter. The suggestion to slit the hose near the catch can is a similar idea, but really not practical as we operate our sleds during cold temps at all times, so we are inviting oil misting problems into our engine compartments.
Why some have had this icing problem and others haven't, again I attribute to conditions. We both had about 600 miles on our ECP-equipped sleds when this happened.
I'm not here to say Freddie's a bad guy...not in the least, but I believe without a solid fix, all of us are at risk of this happening again and again. For those that have ridden many miles without a problem, we had about 1200 miles combined before it happened, and we BOTH had it happen within 30 miles of each other. Again, I think it is related to conditions.
Just like the guy that posted that his buddy's sled caught fire, people will argue with this posting. Go figure.
Pat Robinson
The fact is that we owe more to each other than we do to the retailers on this site. I already received a few minor jabs over my posting, and surely will receive more; if you look at most posts on this site, they often deteriorate quickly from useful information to emotional outbursts.
Let's not lose track of the purpose of this site, which I think is for the useful exchange of information between all of us Yamaha owners.
I'm sure if we met on the trail (with my disabled sled) or in a gas station or bar, that not only would you be interested in this problem, you probably wouldn't install the kit.
Now for the facts. I have owned over 20 Yamahas over the years, and other than a Kitty Cat years ago for the kids, we've never run anything else (and never will). When we ride, we travel, and we ride no matter how cold it is. When our RX1's iced up, it was about 5-10 below, which isn't abnormally cold. We had two of our boys on Phazers with us, and were only cruising at around 40mph the entire day; the RX1's iced up after 100 miles or so in the mid-afternoon. Due to this experience my thinking is that icing is maybe more attributed to conditions (temperature/depoint) than riding style. Anyway, a cam plug on my left side came out and oiled me up pretty good. My friend had a right-side cam plug blow out after dark. Thank Yamaha for having an easy pressure release so that nothing was damaged.
I iced up the breathers on two different aerobatic aircraft 20 years ago prior to understanding this issue (both times pushed out the crank seal, blew the oil out the front and resulted in forced landings). Regular aircraft don't have this breather icing problem; the breather is relatively short. In aerobatic aircraft, the breather is often routed all the way through the (unheated) fuselage and out the rear of the aircraft near the rudder, so as not to sling oil all over the aircraft when operating in negative-G conditions. This is often 15' or so of 1" thin aluminum tubing. The problem is that engines produce moisture, and the longer the (breather) run, the more prone the engine (at least in aircraft) is to icing the breather. Anyway, in aerobatic circles, we all learned to add a rubber hose over the aluminum tube near the warmth of the engine, drill a hole in the aluminum, and in cold conditions, to move the hose away from the hole, and in warm conditions, slide the hose back over the hole to keep your engine compartment clean.
This approach works very well in aerobatic aircraft, as most high-performance machines do not have heat, and aren't routinely operated in the winter. The suggestion to slit the hose near the catch can is a similar idea, but really not practical as we operate our sleds during cold temps at all times, so we are inviting oil misting problems into our engine compartments.
Why some have had this icing problem and others haven't, again I attribute to conditions. We both had about 600 miles on our ECP-equipped sleds when this happened.
I'm not here to say Freddie's a bad guy...not in the least, but I believe without a solid fix, all of us are at risk of this happening again and again. For those that have ridden many miles without a problem, we had about 1200 miles combined before it happened, and we BOTH had it happen within 30 miles of each other. Again, I think it is related to conditions.
Just like the guy that posted that his buddy's sled caught fire, people will argue with this posting. Go figure.
Pat Robinson
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Wow sometimes you have to hate the internet. OK for instance I rode with my friend both of us ECP kits he has an 05 and a 03. It was -30 before the windchill and we rode 140 miles from Millinocket to Portage Maine. He emptied the condensation 2 times on that trip. Then we rode from Portage all the way around into Ft Kent almost into Presque Isle 250 miles same cold weather. Most of which you have to imagione was 80+ MPH wide open most of the time 2 more times he dumped the condensation out there was a small chunk of ice in the hose (he used clear hose on his so you could see it was there and poke it out) he cleaned it out during one of the 2 stops. That day was also -30 or so before windchill at 80 MPH. Saturday we rode back from Portage to Millinocket 20 miles of bumpy trails but some fast fast riding after that. Almost 600 miles and the kits perfomed awsome. God forbid you have some other issues with the your sled and you have to figure the problem out.
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Trying to vent the case through just the one oem vent, just simply isn't enough. Venting the case into the filters won't solve the problem. Get a fitting that screws into the existing hole on the valve cover. The hole with the little black plug in it. Put a hose on it and a breather filter of some type.
This will cut the pressure to the OEM breather in half and give a safety valve if the OEM breather becomes blocked with ice.
If the OEM breather is pushing oil, which it is in many cases, adding the vacuum of the carbs to that line is only going to suck the oil into the intake system. Keep the oil in the case. Add a vent.
STOP beating a dead horse.
I wonder if YAMAHA has addressed the issue on the 06 RX's??? Probably not. They seem unwilling to admit their mistakes.
This will cut the pressure to the OEM breather in half and give a safety valve if the OEM breather becomes blocked with ice.
If the OEM breather is pushing oil, which it is in many cases, adding the vacuum of the carbs to that line is only going to suck the oil into the intake system. Keep the oil in the case. Add a vent.
STOP beating a dead horse.
I wonder if YAMAHA has addressed the issue on the 06 RX's??? Probably not. They seem unwilling to admit their mistakes.
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Just a reply to the posts that said this was mostly a 05 issue. my warriior is a 04 (no evac) and it has happened twice. I am not ready to give up the ECP kit, in fact I am installing the Lightning Products breather kit. The kit uses the Oem location and the the one where the plug is. I believe it will solve the problem. If not I may ask Supertuner to extend the offer of help to me. Maybe with a sled that has this problem he can identify the cause. If he'd like to see it before the LP I'm willing (how far from LI to waterbury?).
I will not be riding before the weekend of the 12th so I'll post back after.
I will not be riding before the weekend of the 12th so I'll post back after.
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yamawarrior said:
As my memory serves me correctly, I think it used to take us about 3.4 to 4 hours when we used to drag race and oval race on Lake Luzerne.
I have an 05 er 900 + mls evac with and extra 6'' of hose running straght down for drain.On those cold nights in ny. -15 - -20f Ive for got to drain after all day ride appr. 3'' of ice in the morn. when I put the light on it to thaw. Absolutly no oil anywhere, no oil consumption ,filters work great for every thing but maybe deep powder,then maybe block off the front air vents they get plugged any way I wouldn't trade for stock to much fun , thanks Freddy! it's hard to please everyone (ask my wife) 
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