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I run Rocks 3200lm/ 4300k Hids in my Apex. Way better than the LED IMO. Anything over 4500k produces way to much shadowing on snow. Pure white is the way to go on white snow......
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Those LED's don't look like 6500k to me. Not near enough blue for it to be a 6500k. Are LED's measured differently?
And BTW - what one person likes (i.e. 6500k), another might not like it at all. Just sayin'.
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4300 is daylight 5500-6000 should be pure white. You shouldn't see blue till over 7000.
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The LED in my PZ are 5000k. I really don't care what anyone else likes. I've ran 4300-6000k. The 4300k work the best on snow period.
The problem with this type of LED bulb is they are directional (one points up and the other down). Ya they look bright but the pattern and distance suck compared to HID.
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There are so many kelvin color charts out there its hard for one to say which is most accurate, however, you and I are on the same page here. To my knowledge 6500k is considered a diamond white.. I guess my definition of a diamond white is a very bright white with a tint of blue.
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Your comparing your little LEDs to your HIDs..Like I said, none of the LED kits were worth the money and that's why you prefer HIDs, that being said, I agree, however, these just came out last year. If I didn't tell you these were LED lights, judging by the photos, I know you would have thought the same as everyone else did when I was up north, that they were HIDs. BTW, if it looks that bright at 3 different angles while comparing it next to stock candles like in the pictures I posted. The chances of the pattern and distance sucking are highly unlikely. Common sense imo. As for the kelvin color to each there own..
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I think the LED's a great idea. No bulb filament to get bounced around and burn out. Less load on the stator= more mods to add.
My only concern is the beam pattern considering that the reflector was designed to reflect light coming from the 360* bulb output.
I would like to try a set one day and compare them to the current HID setup I have.
My only concern is the beam pattern considering that the reflector was designed to reflect light coming from the 360* bulb output.
I would like to try a set one day and compare them to the current HID setup I have.
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I think the LED's a great idea. No bulb filament to get bounced around and burn out. Less load on the stator= more mods to add.
My only concern is the beam pattern considering that the reflector was designed to reflect light coming from the 360* bulb output.
I would like to try a set one day and compare them to the current HID setup I have.
100% agree on the reflector design. On low the LED only light on one side. HID's are low wattage also.
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Now my experience is with 2 stroke vipers. I run ddm 4300k HID's on mine and rocks LED's on my daughters. The distance, color and pattern at pretty much the same. http://www.totallyamaha.net/forums/threads/97528-Led-headlight. I have pics of my daughters LED's at night in link. IMO the LED's are every bit as good as the HID's. And for my two strokes they are a true plug and play.
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Wow...I think i will tape a piece of tin-foil around my LED..Then maybe the guy around the corner will see me coming because my distance is way off!
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So these two pictures show the problem with putting LED or HID's into housings meant for filament bulbs. (not picking on you guys, just used your pics as references!) You aren't getting more light on the road. You are just creating a ton of glare for other people... Dropping in one of those bulbs into a road vehicle is actually illegal, just rarely enforced unfortunately. REAL HID or LED lights have an extremely sharp cutoff, laser sharp. Good lights in the two examples below would be 1/10th as bright from the position of the photographer.
(note, the LED's sx7001 is talking about are slightly better, but still a poor match for an incandescent housing.)
Go here, read this article. This guy knows more about automotive lighting than the rest of the internet, combined.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
(disclaimer, I run HID's in my yamaha's, but I also don't run at night ever. The increased off-axis lighting actually helps during the day, I'm visible from a longer distance and glare isn't a problem.)
This is what the output from a LED/HID should look like... Notice almost no light above the cutoff line.
(note, the LED's sx7001 is talking about are slightly better, but still a poor match for an incandescent housing.)
Go here, read this article. This guy knows more about automotive lighting than the rest of the internet, combined.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
(disclaimer, I run HID's in my yamaha's, but I also don't run at night ever. The increased off-axis lighting actually helps during the day, I'm visible from a longer distance and glare isn't a problem.)
This is what the output from a LED/HID should look like... Notice almost no light above the cutoff line.
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You really got me thinking.. and that picture you posted had me guessing.. so I did a good bit of research before replying to your comment and did in fact read the link you attached. I will agree on one point that you made. Yes, the lights on my truck are blinding when looking directly at them and its probably is creating a hazard for others on the road, however, the headlights on my truck were extremely blinding before i installed these LEDs, with that said, i wouldn't-want to make it any worse so i have already looked into purchasing "projectors" for my truck
.. My RX1 on the other hand is actually distributing the light wonderfully..! All of the pictures i took from the front of my sled were taken with my phone, so they really aren't doing any justice. The headlights look bright unpleasant to stare at from the pictures, however, when standing in front of my sled between 0-20 feet away, it looks like a glowing fluorescent bulb.. and i know this has to to do with the LEDs design, the low beam is in the downwards position. I posted snapshots i clipped from a video off my GoPro. If you look at the pictures you will see how the light is clearly.. on the ground.. and possibly 3x-5x brighter than factory as well..! So i am clueless as to why you would said, "You aren't getting more light on the road. You are just creating a ton of glare for other people..."? In your poorly answered and misleading comment you state, "REAL HID or LED lights have an extremely sharp cutoff, laser sharp." There are several car manufacturers that installed HID lights in a housing that was was designed for both Halogen and HID bulbs and DO NOT have an extremely sharp cut off.. (Example: 2004 Lincoln Aviator w/HID) at all..! The only.... and absolute ONLY way to produce that kind of beam is with "PROJECTORS" which you have failed to mention.. So how and why did you say, " (note, the LED's sx7001 is talking about are slightly better, but still a poor match for an incandescent housing.)" He said, "the pattern and distance suck"..?
.. My RX1 on the other hand is actually distributing the light wonderfully..! All of the pictures i took from the front of my sled were taken with my phone, so they really aren't doing any justice. The headlights look bright unpleasant to stare at from the pictures, however, when standing in front of my sled between 0-20 feet away, it looks like a glowing fluorescent bulb.. and i know this has to to do with the LEDs design, the low beam is in the downwards position. I posted snapshots i clipped from a video off my GoPro. If you look at the pictures you will see how the light is clearly.. on the ground.. and possibly 3x-5x brighter than factory as well..! So i am clueless as to why you would said, "You aren't getting more light on the road. You are just creating a ton of glare for other people..."? In your poorly answered and misleading comment you state, "REAL HID or LED lights have an extremely sharp cutoff, laser sharp." There are several car manufacturers that installed HID lights in a housing that was was designed for both Halogen and HID bulbs and DO NOT have an extremely sharp cut off.. (Example: 2004 Lincoln Aviator w/HID) at all..! The only.... and absolute ONLY way to produce that kind of beam is with "PROJECTORS" which you have failed to mention.. So how and why did you say, " (note, the LED's sx7001 is talking about are slightly better, but still a poor match for an incandescent housing.)" He said, "the pattern and distance suck"..?
