Pilot 6.9 ski's installed

[SumpBuster]

I'm considering 6.9's but I will say, the slim Jims contribute to hard steering on my curves, and some slow speed inside ski lift, but the single scag is more precise...never let me down in a corner....I can't tolerate push when I don't want it...the self centering is extreme on the curves, so I shimmed the FRONT ( no noticeable wear in front of the spindle) and the steering lightened up a LOT! Curves are very responsive to ski pressure in front, or behind the spindle, and that has to balance with the rear suspension setup. But once found, they will certainly handle! Minor darting with the single scag, compared to zero darting with the slim jims. 6.9s are nice...but riding with people...it sure looks like I can cut a tighter turn than they can...I like to see what others run and follow them..lol
kinda like nascar trying to find the fast line! But I'm open to suggestions, that sometimes my wallet isn't too!!lol

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Any updates put 6.9s on 200 miles fronts wearing quick modified Yamaha rubber no shims going to shim today Yamaha rubbers very tight didn’t like the way they sit

This has been talked about alot in this thread so you have to read back. ANY pilot ski by BRP needs shimming bad, its a poor design in that respect and always have been, even on doos they need shimming.

Mine wear perfectly as I have mine shimmed. This is something that should be watched as shims may need to be adjuster thicker or thinner depending on how yours wear. All the info is in this thread guys.

Dan

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I'm considering 6.9's but I will say, the slim Jims contribute to hard steering on my curves, and some slow speed inside ski lift, but the single scag is more precise...never let me down in a corner....I can't tolerate push when I don't want it...the self centering is extreme on the curves, so I shimmed the FRONT ( no noticeable wear in front of the spindle) and the steering lightened up a LOT! Curves are very responsive to ski pressure in front, or behind the spindle, and that has to balance with the rear suspension setup. But once found, they will certainly handle! Minor darting with the single scag, compared to zero darting with the slim jims. 6.9s are nice...but riding with people...it sure looks like I can cut a tighter turn than they can...I like to see what others run and follow them..lol
kinda like nascar trying to find the fast line! But I'm open to suggestions, that sometimes my wallet isn't too!!lol

I have tried curves a few times(other sleds) and always came away thinking they were the heaviest ski's I had ever tried. Not a fan here. If I wanted heavy I would go with a c&a and have serious carving. Pilots on this chassie are about as light as you will ever get, much lighter then they are on a DOO. They do push some tho, so you gotta pick your poison. I'm testing ACE bars this season, as they are taller and square, hoping to get a tad more carving ability.

Dan

 

[cjr]

Thanks for replying took Ski’s off today put 3/8 shim in and new rubbers did some custom cutting on rubbers used hyfax for shims will ride tomorrow like the way they sat on flat ground front up about 1/4 inch

 

[staggs65]

I have tried curves a few times(other sleds) and always came away thinking they were the heaviest ski's I had ever tried. Not a fan here. If I wanted heavy I would go with a c&a and have serious carving. Pilots on this chassie are about as light as you will ever get, much lighter then they are on a DOO. They do push some tho, so you gotta pick your poison. I'm testing ACE bars this season, as they are taller and square, hoping to get a tad more carving ability.

Dan

I guess maybe they're not for me then. I don't like push. I don't mind a little when it's predictable on hardpack but if it gets worse as trails get beat up and loosen up then it's not for me.

 

[JestersYamacat]

Is anyone having trouble with the rubbers being too soft and allowing the ski to tip forward after a while? Seem like the durometer is softer than the sno cross units. may get a set of those.

Jester

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Yeah bud....if you have time read back. These rubbers tend to "set in" more over time. My sled sits on lift all summer so my shims/rubbers are still good thickness. But if setting on ground, the soft rubbers/shims set in and will need adjusting IMO. Not for all but many.

Best to look at carbide wear often and correct before too late.

Dan

 

[JestersYamacat]

Popular read!! Just gonna make u some thicker shims as the sno cross ones are out of stock. Cheers

jester

 

[DTR 82-27]

I just put a set of 6.9 Pilots on and put a shim in right away. Hopefully that will prevent the rubbers from sagging in. I’ll have to watch the carbide wear. Right now the skis are tilted up a little just sitting on the stand - front of the skis are tilted up about 1” or 1 1/2”. I just used a piece of 1” x 1/8” aluminum flat bar about 3” long and put that in under the rubbers.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Tons pics in this thread on shims...and thickness discussions....Go back a few pages to around page 40 and start reading up there.

I tried to keep up editing it, so starting on Original Post will help(I edited in some links)

https://ty4stroke.com/threads/pilot-6-9-skis-installed.146599/#post-1343311

Dan

 

[cjr]

Put 75 miles yesterday sled rails in corners no front wear on skis no pushing little darting at low speed didn’t check alignment

 

[Ndoggct]

Installed today thanks to rockerdan

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Installed today thanks to rockerdan

Looks great with the red! Nice work.

Dan

 

[Ndoggct]

Looks great with the red! Nice work.

Dan

Thx again

 

[Scott Stedronsky]

SW main ski Bolt and washers:

Now that we have the OUTER bushing reinserted, we can change the washer setup on the ski bolt install....

We need to do this cause the spacing after the bushing change, still is not exact and additionally, now that we have changed the outer bushing, we want a shoulder INSIDE that outer ski plastic, between the SW spindle and the plastic ski(since the bushing shoulder is now outside) so it does not wear on the plastic.

From outside to inside: Bolt, Bushing, Ski, Washer, SW spindle, Bushing, Ski, Washer, Nut, cotter pin.

Dan

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Hey TY gang....

Been awhile since I've really wrote much of anything over here. Spent 2006 though 2013 in the Apex forums and then jumped over to try a turbo from Cat, and 14 went back over to Doo and now have my 2016 4tec. So its been fun being all over and have come away with lots of good/bad from other brands.

Back in 06 with the Apex handling quirks, the pilot ski had just be designed and was new, the 5.7 pilot at the time transformed the Apex into a real nice tight trail 'railer' and it cured the inside ski lift that model was known for.

In 2012 when I got my cat turbo(procross chassie) I did not like the heavy darting that came with that sled out of the box, so i decided to go back to my 'staple' ski, the pilot 5.7, which I pulled off my apex for a test, and sure enough that cat became an ultra nice handler, no darting and light effort.

On my current 1200 4tec doo, which is ultra rider forward XS chassie, I decided to try out the pilots but this time in the 6.9 version, as the extra flotation is really welcomed on the 4tec with the extra nose weight being an extreme rider forward design, and the results impressed me. Not only incredible in powder making the 4s feel fun and playful(2s like) but also being even BETTER on trail then the 5.7, as the 6.9 has a wider unique distance between the two carbides when compared directly to the ultra popular 5.7 pilot.

So last week my local buddy out of the blue tells me he has a new Sidewinder LTX LE, and Im welcome to come ride it! Ive been lurking since Chris Reid released the info last winter on the SW engine, as most of us 4tec guys have been wanting a BRP turbo but it seems their cash cow will always rule. Needless to say, getting some seat time on a new SW was incredible.

New LE 137 was right out of the box stock, Tom is not the type to do alot of tinkering himself but was open to me making some suggestions. After the 110 mile ride, I was SOLD 100% on this new engine configuration and how it makes the power so smoothly, this is pure Yammie and really puts the old ZUK to shame in many ways. Impressive!

The handling I felt needed work, being nose heavy and steering that was far too heavy, and little to no transfer(no studs yet either). I immediately thought of the 6.9s to make this chassie steering feel better.

So Tom ordered them up, St.Onge happened to have a pair there so we got all the goods needed, as I had all the part numbers and specifics. I will try to include all the info here as Ive got quite a few PMs both here and on DooTalk on this setup. I took a ton of pics of every step, along with going over the entire sled with fine tooth comb since I may become an owner of one....quite a nice package here, and you can see yammies hands are all over this new gem.

Part numbers for pilot 6.9s.....

QTY- BRP Part Number
1 - #505073056 RH 6.9 Ski
1 - #505073055 LH 6.9 Ski
2 - #505070963 Ski handle
2 - #860200525 Ski handle rivets(A better solution is SS bolts/Nuts-Will post sizes )
1 - #860200580 BRP Executive 8" 60 degree 1/2" round host bar carbide(for center)
1- #860201044 BRP 4" square 7/16" host bar for outers(or move from center to outer)

Another great thing about this setup, is it not only is the best setup overall IMO, but also is by far the cheapest when compared to aftermarket skis. BRP dealers can now order them again as they have become an available item after being discontinued....Here Leaders sells them on ebay:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ski-Doo-New-...32c2694:g:-Q8AAOSwUuFWzTeM&vxp=mtr&rmvSB=true

I run 5" BRP "extreme bars on my 1200 setup which works well, we got the larger 7.5" executive series as this chassies does not suffer from the quirks of the XS DOO chassie and seems to do well with more carbide where the doo does not. The extremes will work well too no doubt, but Tom opted for the 7.5"(BRP calls them 8")

I nearly forgot the conclusion....after many adjustments to alot, this new LE LTX now feels like I added EPS, and is NOW simply a pleasure to ride. Absolutely the best improvement to this chassie is to drop the stock ski, and slap on some pilot 6.9s, your arms and wallet will appreciate it!

Dan

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Thanks for the info Dan!
Hoping to test the Pilots this weekend.
While I was under there I through on a skid plate from Barn of Parts since I had already ripped off the heat exchanger and oil filter access hole.

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Thx again