SRX vs 2022 Mach Z

[sideshowBob]

My biggest question is does anyone think the new Mach Z deserves to be called a Mach Z? Honestly, I feel it should have been badged as a Mach 1. I guess time will tell, but based on things I’ve heard from guys with seat time on the new Z, no one is blown away. To date the only companies that have built sled worthy of names like Thundercat, SRX, XCR and Mach Z are Yamaha and Cat. Will the Z be worthy, I have my doubts.

Ski Doo pulled out the Blizzard name a few years back and assigned it to a mundane trail sled...what an embarrassment to a legendary race sled.
Yamaha initially did the same with a kids SRX...thank goodness they redeemed themselves with the SW SRXs.
Our 300+++hp 998s could easily be called Yamaha SSRs or Arctic Cat King Cats and proudly wear the legendary names.
Now if we could only have a modern day Moto Ski Bullet....

 

[WinderFab]

Well.. the company that builts the Srx is Articcat in an old Articcat chassi with a Yamaha motor in it. Do you think that the Mountain max name deserves the name on the 100% Articcat sled?

Do you really think this is the first time this happened ?

 

[sideshowBob]

Funny thing is I remember Olav Aaen saying 2 stroke twins over 600cc will not be reliable.

I agree as I have never liked big twins as they have their limits and then you need to add cylinders.
IMO this applies to sleds, bikes, cars ect and is why I have owned and still own numerous 3 and 4 cylinder sleds, 4 and 6 cylinder motorcycles, 4 and 6 cylinder boat motors, and 8 and 12 cylinder vehicles.
LOL
I live by the CI formula[Cylinder Index]

 

[fatchance]

Call it whatever you wish.. I just could not look at that sled every time I wanted to walk up to it and ride it.. That thing is UGLY... I wonder if I could close my eyes and get on it and then ride it? Throw a cover over it every time after riding it and during storage?

Problem is Jon, you shouldn't have to spend the most money to take the ugly girl out on the town and have to avoid all your friends! Ugly stays ugly! No getting around it!

 

[STAIN]

I agree as I have never liked big twins as they have their limits and then you need to add cylinders.
IMO this applies to sleds, bikes, cars ect and is why I have owned and still own numerous 3 and 4 cylinder sleds, 4 and 6 cylinder motorcycles, 4 and 6 cylinder boat motors, and 8 and 12 cylinder vehicles.
LOL
I live by the CI formula[Cylinder Index]

Somewhere there is an old article describing why Yamaha--a motor company--refused to make a big twin back when they where all the rage in the late 90's and 2000's. I dont how to find it but basically they told their dealers, who where screaming for a sled to compete with the XC/ZR/MX 800's, that big twins over a certain cc where inefficient and problem prone. They stuck with the smaller triples to compete in those classes.
The big two stroke twins, with the exception of the Suzuki engines, have been mostly a failure. Fusion 900, CFI 800 Polaris motors of almost any year and 1000cc ski doo engines where not great engines.

I think I may have actually seen the article on this site a while back

 

[NYTurbo]

The Suzuki 1100 and 800s are both very good motors. IMHO the 1100 is a capable of handling more hp than the 998 with ease.

 

[WinterWolf]

Suzuki 1100? What sled was that motor in? I don’t ever recall any sled with a two stroke twin of 1100 cc’s in any sled/cat?

 

[NYTurbo]

Suzuki 1100? What sled was that motor in? I don’t ever recall any sled with a two stroke twin of 1100 cc’s in any sled/cat?

Yes it was a 4 stroke. Lol

 

[journeyman]

Somewhere there is an old article describing why Yamaha--a motor company--refused to make a big twin back when they where all the rage in the late 90's and 2000's. I dont how to find it but basically they told their dealers, who where screaming for a sled to compete with the XC/ZR/MX 800's, that big twins over a certain cc where inefficient and problem prone. They stuck with the smaller triples to compete in those classes.
The big two stroke twins, with the exception of the Suzuki engines, have been mostly a failure. Fusion 900, CFI 800 Polaris motors of almost any year and 1000cc ski doo engines where not great engines.

I think I may have actually seen the article on this site a while back

Yes Olav referred to it as quick cylinder filling, smaller carbs, smaller cylinders fill quicker, cools quicker and gives it better throttle response. I realize a lot has changed since then with direct injection and high tech ignitions.

 

[WinterWolf]

Yes it was a 4 stroke. Lol

lol...oh ya, but I thought we were talking two strokes.

 

[74Nitro]

I thought we were talking winder vs mach......lol

 

[NYTurbo]

I thought we were talking winder vs mach......lol

I think we beat that one to death , now were just shooting the #*$&@. Lol

 

[sailor joe]

I like Yamaha's not Ski Doo's maybe that's the problem. Last time I looked the title of the site is Totally Yamaha I guess you think it's ok to come on here and talk up your Ski Doo but I guess that's my problem. Seems to be the thing to do lately.

I own a Yamaha, I come on this site to share the camaraderie, learn about my the sled I chose. I once went on Doo Talk to see how that site operates and what's being said, I never commented because I don't have a Ski Doo, I haven't gone back on that site, I read enough.
I hope TY continues to be informative and classy. I hope everyone can understand to "each their own". There are allot of great Yamaha engineers on this site, it gets confusing when some of the posts have nothing constructive to say about keeping our sleds in good running order or the things that bind us together as Yamaha owners,...OUR experiences.
One more thing, this whole thing about having to wait till next winter to have the big " showdown "at noon...well the nice thing about this earth is that in one part it's winter and the other is summer, can't the sled magazines and video sites just take the 2 or 3 sleds down to South America and have a race there? Think of the off season interest the sport would have...maybe even Red Bull could sponsor the event..

 

[VX1R]

I own a Yamaha, I come on this site to share the camaraderie, learn about my the sled I chose. I once went on Doo Talk to see how that site operates and what's being said, I never commented because I don't have a Ski Doo, I haven't gone back on that site, I read enough.
I hope TY continues to be informative and classy. I hope everyone can understand to "each their own". There are allot of great Yamaha engineers on this site, it gets confusing when some of the posts have nothing constructive to say about keeping our sleds in good running order or the things that bind us together as Yamaha owners,...OUR experiences.

Well said sailor joe. I don't have much to add to your comments except that one thing that goes a long way here on TY is for a show of respect to fellow members when your opinion does not match someone else's opinion if you want to earn the respect of your fellow members. MrSled and the rest of the TY team have done an awesome job in creating and making this a respectable and classy site.

Having fun and enjoying this sport and the camaraderie that it provides is what keeps me going. If I don't share someone else's opinion I just move on without trying to bash them or run them off the site. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. Snowmobiling probably has one of the most passionate groups of members (excluding hockey and soccer moms but let's not forget it's all about having fun at the end of the day.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but even though this is "Totallyamaha" are there any rules that say that we're not allowed to discuss other brands? I've been on a few TY rides and MrSled has always allowed other brands and riders to participate in the rides.

I don't care what someone else chooses to ride or their reasons to ride what they do. I respect them for being a fellow snowmobiler and sharing the passion of this sport. I would rather buy them a beverage when I see them at a pit stop and strike up a conversation with them about how their ride has been so far rather than trying to berate them and their sled. Besides most everyone is bigger than me and I always remember what my Dad told me when I was younger...(The bigger they are the harder they punch!)

Just to keep my post in the spirit of this thread...I've got a riding bud who's got a new Mach Z on order and I'm anxious to see just how his new sled performs next season. If he smokes my SRX I'll buy him a beer and will be ready for a whole season of grief. If I smoke him....well let's just say I won't let him forget it! (He's also a LOT bigger than me) so I'll need to go easy on him.

Cheers!

 

[Fast]

ST boys wont run them on glare ice. I know it would be fun to see that but a few things you gotta think of.

Their MACH has the IR track, no "real" studs. The Winder would likely have no studs. ST does not stud the sleds they get to test/demo. They just review new sleds as they come. I'm pretty sure Yam and Cat do not offer a IR track, so that is likely why they did not run them off.

AJ did reply about his thoughts, and he agrees 998 will be faster. I think just about every "Mach buyer" with any sort of big sled knowledge agrees the 998 will be faster. I know I have always thought the 998 will be faster.

The question being asked and talked about though is which sled will be "quicker". With this question, the answer is not as easy to guess on outcome IMO. I believe from my experience owning a stock 998 and logging a fair amount of miles on a stock 900t(last yr) with 150HP, the snap down low is much better corner to corner on the 900t. With the new 900r at 180 claimed, that should be even better.

You can go back and find many of my old posts where i talk about stock Winder, and how docile it makes power. NO SNAP corner to corner, I must have typed that a thousand times back in 2018..LOL. Simple cure was a Quick spool tune, once tuned I absolutely loved my SNAPPY Winder, it was an animal.

I need to be more detailed here. Typically I along with most, lump the Cat 998 in with the YAM 998. So let me separate them. You will find some old posts, where my bud came to ride with me for a weekend. He had a new RR cat 998. BONE STOCK. I had my 270 tune with snappy corner to corner. Well, low and behold....We swapped as he wanted to try my Winder with tune, and did I ever get a surprise. That Cat with its "zero deflection" clutch setup and 24/50 gearing was just about as snappy corner to corner as my TUNED Winder! That has always stuck in my head.

So while I stick to my statement that a stock 998 has no snap corner to corner, i must be sure to clarify it was a YAM 998. The Cat is completely different down low corner to corner.

With that being said....Here are my future results from next December shoot out. I believe the Mach will take the win in seconds(Time) but the Tcat will take the win in MPH(Speed). I wish they will have a Winder there too, but likely wont. I also hope they will run the Mach with/ then without Launch control, just to compare.

Should be a fun winter. I just wish BRP could have added EPS somehow to the Mach. I think that new Tcat with EPS around my tight trail system would be a game changer.

Dan

Dan, the srx must be in another zip code too since it has more snap corner to corner than the 850's and the 150hp 900t