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YAMAHEATER Nice Warm Hands for 03 - Current Yamaha 4 Strokes

Discussion in 'RoczToyz.com' started by Rockmeister, Jan 7, 2009.


  1. gormleyflyer2002

    gormleyflyer2002 TY 4 Stroke Junkie

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    Location:
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    well, yes....but

    I would say that yes you could install these while your sled sits sheltered from the wind in a trailer. Finding the required wires to hook into is the biggest challenge for someone that hasn't installed one before. (me) If you have that info beforehand or go locate the wires on your sled beforehand then your golden.

    Rocks instructions have pretty detailed instructions for Apex and RX 1 as far as the best location to find the yellow/red and blue/white wire. I installed on my 08 Nytro, it was a late night friday evening rush job before heading out for the ride on Saturday morning.

    Bring some wire and box of misc wire connectors, (red blue size)I needed to extend the ground wire on mine.......the top side of Nytro is all plastic and composite.
     
  2. apex*snowman

    apex*snowman Newbie

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    I need a set up for my 2006 apex, let me know what I need to do to get rid of the cold hands.
     
  3. dmsrx700

    dmsrx700 Newbie

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    Location:
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    I put the 07 hooked bars on my 03 RX1 and while I love the riding position my hands were freezing. Thought I had the same thing going on as everyone else. I was going to put the old reostat off a 97 02 Vmax on and wire it to a switched 12 volt source so I wouldn't take any chances on killing the handwarmwer curcuit in the Ecu. I would have had to put a warmer in the circuit or wire a diode in to keep the check engine light out too. Well as it turned out, I used gauntlets yesterday with my windstopper fleece gloves. Without having the thick gloves on and the gauntlets stopping the wind the bars worked great, just like the old days of the Vmax. Bars get too hot to keep on high, thumb warmer too. Ran most of the time with them almost off. With the fact that the Ecu doesn't supply any power until 4000 rpm and full power above 6000, shuts the power off under braking, wearing thick gloves to try and stop the wind I was heading in the wrong direction. I really don't like the looks of the gauntlets but they didn't bother me while riding, plus I really don't want to alter the wiring on my sled. The ones I used were borrowed so I am going to order some from powermadd that go over the handguards so I have more room for the brake lever and throttle. The temperature was 17 deg. while we were out which isn't too cold but since I rode with the warmers turned all the way down I don't thing colder temps are going to be a problem.
     
  4. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister Advertiser Advertiser VIP Member

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    Location:
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    Country:
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    Snowmobile:
    2007 Attak - LOVE my sled!!!
    Hi Mike.
    Good question!
    You actually have the exact same options you had before, PLUS a full heat option, all controlled from the existing factory bar controls!

    I have the updated '06/07 bars with heat to the ends of the hooks myself.
    Love the heated hooks!
    Usually I get them warmed up, then one of the factory settings will usually keep them warm enough after that(Factory high, or near high), all controlled from the existing factory bar switch.
    If it is REALLY cold, will go back to FULL HEAT mode again with the handlebar controls.

    No need to add a rheostat at all.
    The single biggest problem with a rheostat is that they waste power you don't have available and can't afford to waste!
    The method the factory uses is near 100% efficient, although not very effective!
    The FULL HEAT mode is also almost 100% efficient, so in ANY mode with the Warm Hands Controller, you are wasting almost NO power, it is going where it needs to, To your grips!

    ANY power you waste is taken from your Magneto, and if your magneto can't keep up, it is taken FROM your battery, and will slowly run your battery down.
    Unfortunately, you cannot afford to waste power on these sleds.

    The Mode Switch simply tells to the contoller to use FULL HEAT mode OR OFF, when you set your handlebar controls to "off".
    The only time you are likely to even use the MODE switch, is in late sprng riding, when you really DO want your warmers totally off!
    The rest of the season, just use the one bar setting, it doesn't put out much at all, and is almost off!

    Funny, this is sooooo much easier to use, than explain in words! lol
    You guys that have them, chime in and maybe someone will come up with a GREAT explanation!
    Hope this helps! ;)!
    Rock
     
  5. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister Advertiser Advertiser VIP Member

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    Location:
    NE Indiana
    Country:
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    Snowmobile:
    2007 Attak - LOVE my sled!!!
    Please read the first page of this thread.
    This thread is SPECIFICALLY about the Warm Hands Controller, your input is greatly appreciated here, just not in this specific thread.
    Do a search, there are plenty of threads on the handwarmer issue.
    It will keep you busy for weeks...
    Tnx!
     
  6. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister Advertiser Advertiser VIP Member

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    Location:
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    Country:
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    Snowmobile:
    2007 Attak - LOVE my sled!!!
    Hhahahha! Even that kind of help can be great dude!

    Yes, they are all controlled at the bars, with the possible exception of very warm spring riding when you truly want your bars 100% off.
    Then you set the mode switch to off, and when you turn the warmers off from the controls, they really are 100% off.
    See my prior reply to Mike also.

    Rock :-o
     
  7. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister Advertiser Advertiser VIP Member

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    Location:
    NE Indiana
    Country:
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    Snowmobile:
    2007 Attak - LOVE my sled!!!
    Want to get the wire colors nailed down for you guys.
    Am in need of the PDF version of the Nytro & Phazer service manuals.
    If anyone has access to these, please PM me the links or email me them please!

    That way, I can give very detailed instructions for each sled!

    Thanks! :-o
     
  8. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister Advertiser Advertiser VIP Member

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    Location:
    NE Indiana
    Country:
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    Snowmobile:
    2007 Attak - LOVE my sled!!!
    Hey snowman!
    Just send your amount by paypal.
    Instructions are near the bottom of the first page.
    The Intro ends Friday, would get it going if you want one at that price.
    Also, orders are flled on a first come/first served basis, as you wait, you get later on delivery.

    Hopes this helps! :-o
     
  9. Swiss Sledder

    Swiss Sledder TY 4 Stroke God

    2008 FX Nytro Service Manual
     
  10. xator

    xator Newbie

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    On a 09 nytro, while running, do the warmer get full 12v, or it's still pulse width modulated a lil below 12v?
     
  11. skidooboy

    skidooboy TY 4 Stroke Junkie

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    Location:
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    not to beat a dead horse but to clarify, the warm hands controller allows the heaters more power, and can be controled up or down with the current bar controler on the sled from low to high (1-10 settings on the nytro) albiet quite a bit warmer???

    if you want them off, or a very lower setting you turn off the warm hands switch off and you have the current warmer set up for the factory???

    correct???

    ski
     
  12. Gibby

    Gibby Expert

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    Location:
    Jackson, Michigan
    the factory switch will work as it always did, except there will be no off, when the factory switch is off rocks black box will turn on and put full power to hand warmers, so when they get hot you can turn the factory switch back on and it will work as it did before rocks black box, if you want off to be off you have to flip the switch that comes with the black box. hope this helps
     
  13. gormleyflyer2002

    gormleyflyer2002 TY 4 Stroke Junkie

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    Location:
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    Ski.....you can not in theory adjust the temp or output from the warm hands controller itself. Use your OEM switch like normal to both systems. The controller only provides a high heat setting....(the part Yamaha forgot)...seems odd I suppose but believe me they work well in practise and is no diffeent than stock when riding.

    On a typical day you will adjust the temp range depending on where you are riding...morning, the bush, rail line or on the lake.........think of the controller as something that gives you that high or #10 setting that Yamaha couldn't. ....just adds another bar on the dash in theory.....off = hot.

    Yesterday was the coldest day of the season so far, it was -21'C when we started.......12 hr day, all with warm hands.

    I used this higher setting more when starting after trail breaks or chow.....with thin gloves they got to hot but I could manage with the OEM heat.
     
  14. Fasttoys

    Fasttoys Pro

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    Location:
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    sent you a pm :Rockon:
     
  15. 04rxw10

    04rxw10 Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    For all of you sending Rock a PM he might not get right back hes still in MI riding. He will get back to you A.S.A.P.
     

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