2020 Release

[ClutchMaster]

I’m a serious Johnny, too old to care anymore.

 

[SumpBuster]

I’m a serious Johnny, too old to care anymore.

I hear you.
When somebody builds a competitive, nice handling and riding chassis with all the power and (engine)reliability you need, I might buy a new one.
WAIT A MINUTE! I did! My Yamacat is a blast!
(Just jumped that road bank breaking trail but took out a trail stop sign that was hidden on the drifted side. Why do I need a new sled with unproven engines and the latest suspension gizmos for 2019, or switch to Doo or Poo?)
And why were 2 Apexs and a sidewinder breaking a trail anyway? Where's the 850 crowd?????. I did get lousy mileage though, wide open through heavy deep wet snow......

 

[CooperT]

It’s only a doo don’t worry!

I switched to an 850 renegade early in the season and it’s not all it’s hyped up to be. I came back to the viper after I realized what a piece of #*$&@ it was! It only weighs 42lbs less than my ltx, so for you guys that complain about weight...go workout or something...because I couldn’t even notice the difference. Next the oil line popped off spraying oil everywhere all over my clutches etc. If doo can’t put a simple clamp on an oil line to keep it from popping off...something’s wrong, and that’s why a lot of guys are blowing them up. They’re blowing up like crazy actually. My buddies 17’ 850 just went up in flames, and another buddies 850 blew on him. I put 432kms on my 850 and hated it. All I was thinking about was if it was gona blow...the oil line came off instead, go figure right? I put the oil line back on and sold it. There’s only one guy I ride with that has an 800, the rest are on 850s and I keep up with them on the trails easily, yes on the lakes they have a bit more top end but I don’t care about that. The viper imo is way better than the 850! The 850 is made cheap! Running boards are very thin and flex like crazy. Sled shakes at idle like a blind f*g at a weenie roast. l Could go on about skidoo and their junk all day. Not to mention the overpriced accessories. If you want a reliable sled, stick with your yamaha. For anyone that is about to switch to doo...I’ll warn you now and try to spare you the headache I had. DONT DOO IT!!!

 

[ClutchMaster]

Blind F@git at a weenie roast! LMFAO
Got to agree with you, they get out of the hole pretty fast but seem to die pretty quick on top end. I don’t think they will do much over 100 mph. Yes giant vibrator, so your girl might love it.

 

[CooperT]

Blind F@git at a weenie roast! LMFAO
Got to agree with you, they get out of the hole pretty fast but seem to die pretty quick on top end. I don’t think they will do much over 100 mph. Yes giant vibrator, so your girl might love it.

My previous ltx dx did 99.5mph and my new one has been up to 96mph. But the new one is still new lol, it’ll loosen up a bit more yet....they’re 100mph sleds

 

[ClutchMaster]

My previous ltx dx did 99.5mph and my new one has been up to 96mph. But the new one is still new lol, it’ll loosen up a bit more yet....they’re 100mph sleds

I’m speaking about the 850 Doo’s. I don’t think they are quality machines nor do they actually have 170hp, More like 150. The current trend is to over advertise horsepower ratings. The winder is the only one that’s under rated as far as horsepower goes.

 

[CooperT]

I’m speaking about the 850 Doo’s. I don’t think they are quality machines nor do they actually have 170hp, More like 150. The current trend is to over advertise horsepower ratings. The winder is the only one that’s under rated as far as horsepower goes.

Oh I see, my bad! Lol the 850 is all hype!!

 

[Macheater]

A friend of a friend of a friends uncles sisters brother told me to be ready for the 850cc cross plane Holley double pumper single cylinder 2-stroke for 2020!!!!

That's funny! I would be tempted to believe it BUT, I thought Yammi gave up carbs for good!
Or did they???

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

So here is a interesting thought, we complain about no new sleds from Yamaha however we also know there are 16, 17 and 18 MYs left over.
Why is this? 1. 4s motor lasts forever. 2. The price of a new sled does not justify a new sled that is used 2 or 3 months a year.
I would like to buy another one when I retire as it would be my last sled purchase, I would have no problem buying a used low mile sled such as 2018 50th Apex if there is no 2025 Yamaha sled that would compare to a low mile 2018 Apex 50th model.
So again we complain about no new sleds, want another two stroke hmmm NOT me!
I want an engine that lasts forever and will never add a wrench to it for 100k miles (not possible see the 2010 RS Vector Nick Keller rode)

 

[Snowaddict]

So here is a interesting thought, we complain about no new sleds from Yamaha however we also know there are 16, 17 and 18 MYs left over.
Why is this? 1. 4s motor lasts forever. 2. The price of a new sled does not justify a new sled that is used 2 or 3 months a year.
I would like to buy another one when I retire as it would be my last sled purchase, I would have no problem buying a used low mile sled such as 2018 50th Apex if there is no 2025 Yamaha sled that would compare to a low mile 2018 Apex 50th model.
So again we complain about no new sleds, want another two stroke hmmm NOT me!
I want an engine that lasts forever and will never add a wrench to it for 100k miles (not possible see the 2010 RS Vector Nick Keller rode)

I agree. Lots of people here saying Y's decision to go all 4s was terrible. For business purposes, I might agree. It sold a lot of sleds initially. Problem is, these engines last forever. No need to buy new every couple of years. Plenty 20k mileage sleds around. Good luck finding a 2s with that mileage, unless rebuilt a few times. The other manufacturers are going to sell more, as the stuff their selling won't last as long. This may come to a realization for them with the 4s offerings they do have down the road. Maybe those last as long time and they see that upgrades aren't happening as fast in that category.

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

What I find interesting is everyone says the Apex rides like crap on bumps/rough trails, need a Viper SW chassis to handle the bumps etc. Well I will say when the trails are huge bumps, I return to cabin/hotel and wait for the groomer to fix them back up. I love my Apex and may or may not replace the sled down the road, with another of course! The Viper/SW AC based sled issues I see may be few, but I like to ride without worries for those couple months and would hate to have in the back of my mind, when will the chain case have issues, when will it not start on a cold morning, when will my next belt blow. When I do my off season maintenance it is easy to change all fluids, lube all bearings and be ready for the next season with very little effort. Remove oil tank to change chain case oil (Viper) change filter and oil all over the place (Viper) no thanks!

 

[yamajammer76]

I sent Yamaha Snowmobiles a message on Facebook and they replied back to me with a press release and stated that they are committed to the snowmobile market long term. I think however at this point they are just saying that so people will still buy their leftover models and maybe order a few 2019s. I would bet they will wait until February-March 2019 and then instead of announcing new 2020 models just announce snowmobile production will end.

Textron-Cat seems to want to separate from Yamaha anyway so there is a chance you won't even see a Yamaha engine in a snowmobile. It is a sad end.

I'll run my Viper for a few more years and then decide to go with either Ski-doo or Polaris. I don't trust Textron's long term commitment to snowmobiles either.

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

I sent Yamaha Snowmobiles a message on Facebook and they replied back to me with a press release and stated that they are committed to the snowmobile market long term. I think however at this point they are just saying that so people will still buy their leftover models and maybe order a few 2019s. I would bet they will wait until February-March 2019 and then instead of announcing new 2020 models just announce snowmobile production will end.

Textron-Cat seems to want to separate from Yamaha anyway so there is a chance you won't even see a Yamaha engine in a snowmobile. It is a sad end.

I'll run my Viper for a few more years and then decide to go with either Ski-doo or Polaris. I don't trust Textron's long term commitment to snowmobiles either.

If Textron stays in business they will continue using Yamaha engines, they have nothing to compare or even close to the Yamaha 4S. If they come out with their own motor, between the chassis issues and possible low motor reliability that will be the final nail in the coffin for AC based sleds. They need Yamaha as bad as Yamaha needs AC chassis

 

[yamajammer76]

If Textron stays in business they will continue using Yamaha engines, they have nothing to compare or even close to the Yamaha 4S. If they come out with their own motor, between the chassis issues and possible low motor reliability that will be the final nail in the coffin for AC based sleds. They need Yamaha as bad as Yamaha needs AC chassis

Textron will likely give up on 4 strokes for the most part since the majority of their sales are 2 stroke. The few 4 strokes that might be offered can be supplied by one of their own engine divisions. I believe they own Weber engine who makes engines that would work in a snowmobile.

This is most likely the last year we see any Yamaha engine in a snowmobile. Cat will most likely come out with their own "850" for 2020 and that will be their main focus going forward along with their 600 2 stroke.

Sadly the future of this declining market is 2 strokes.

 

[Doc Harley]

CooperT, that was a great read. Comes from experience.