2022 real world results

[Pstn head]

The 900's were holding together at 150hp, we'll see if that's still true with the 900r now at 194ish hp.

 

[Turboflash]

Facts speak the truth!

 

[KnappAttack]

for anyone to say the 998 has "lag" is out of their mind or never ridden one..fake news!! I went on Doo talk once...complete S@%#t show. they come on this site to stir the pot allot too. Joe

Good thing you're not seeing what RockerDan has posted on DooQuack.

 

[XP123]

We have an annual 1000 ft radar run every year with a bunch of guys. Last years 850’s ran 98-101 mph…….my stock Thundercat 110-111 mph……..tuned winder to 290hp 121mph.

Back in 1995 My bone stock ZRT 800 (150 hp) ran 113 mph at Lake of Bays radar run in Dwight Ontario. The sleds today don’t mph like the old lower ones did unless they are pushing huge hp numbers.

 

[NYTurbo]

Sleds today are heavier, sit much higher and overall bigger with a larger lug track. Ever see a Sidewinder parked next to a late 90s Mach z?

I can remember back in the day the radar running guys complain when sleds started coming with 3/4 in tracks instead of 1/2 in .

 

[earthling]

Back in 1995 My bone stock ZRT 800 (150 hp) ran 113 mph at Lake of Bays radar run in Dwight Ontario. The sleds today don’t mph like the old lower ones did unless they are pushing huge hp numbers.

It would be interesting to compare the frontal cross section of your old 800 to a newer sled. When an object is in motion (once you overcome static forces) the single biggest contributing factor limiting MPH/top end speed is aerodynamic drag (not weight or mechanical friction). Given all other factors being equal, two well tuned sleds (track, traction, clutch, timing, etc) the one with less frontal area is going to have a HUGE advantage over the other, regardless of HP. I look at the TD FB page where their 550HP winder is hitting 162MPH. That is a net gain of what, 250HP over a 300HP tuned winder that can do 130? Something like that. Both motors have to overcome the same mechanical limitations (drivetrain, clutching, etc) and yes, these are distance limited measurements so acceleration plays into it but still the largest force should be coming from aerodynamic resistance.

 

[sideshowBob]

A lot of things have changed over the decades of sleds evolution and I have been their since the 1960s.
One of the biggest things that have brought people to reality is the GPS. Only a few of us had radar guns a few decades ago, as GPS was not available, and we called them the dream crushers. GPS is now available to everyone.
Manufacturers were producing sleds speedos that were ridiculously over indicating...some still do. People believe what they see and their memories are very glossy.
I know from testing and experience that a modern day trail sled that breaks 100mph day in day out is a Fast Sled!
There is a lot of talk especially over at Doo Talk about how fast the old Machs ect were, well, I was doing Radar runs on snow[not ice] in the height of the Tripple Tripple era and peoples memories are definitely glossier then reality.
These sleds we are riding now with high frontal area, big lug tracks, long travel suspensions are insanely fast!
People forget the hp required for each mph over 100 is exponential and it does not come easy.
If you want top speed you slam a sled down low, strap the suspension down, run a low lug track, run on ice, ect ect....unrealistic in a daily ridden 1.5 to 1.75 lug 137-144" track trail sled.
The long and short of it is that we are so fortunate to have these modern day, big lug, long travel trail sleds that breach the century mark at will.
The new MachZ and 900R are getting beat up on unrealistic expectations.
JM.02c

 

[74Nitro]

A lot of things have changed over the decades of sleds evolution and I have been their since the 1960s.
One of the biggest things that have brought people to reality is the GPS. Only a few of us had radar guns a few decades ago, as GPS was not available, and we called them the dream crushers. GPS is now available to everyone.
Manufacturers were producing sleds speedos that were ridiculously over indicating...some still do. People believe what they see and their memories are very glossy.
I know from testing and experience that a modern day trail sled that breaks 100mph day in day out is a Fast Sled!
There is a lot of talk especially over at Doo Talk about how fast the old Machs ect were, well, I was doing Radar runs on snow[not ice] in the height of the Tripple Tripple era and peoples memories are definitely glossier then reality.
These sleds we are riding now with high frontal area, big lug tracks, long travel suspensions are insanely fast!
People forget the hp required for each mph over 100 is exponential and it does not come easy.
If you want top speed you slam a sled down low, strap the suspension down, run a low lug track, run on ice, ect ect....unrealistic in a daily ridden 1.5 to 1.75 lug 137-144" track trail sled.
The long and short of it is that we are so fortunate to have these modern day, big lug, long travel trail sleds that breach the century mark at will.
The new MachZ and 900R are getting beat up on unrealistic expectations.
JM.02c

I agree with all you say except the last sentence.
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the Mach to achieve 115mph in stock form.

 

[Confused]

The new MachZ and 900R are getting beat up on unrealistic expectations.
JM.02c

I agree with everything you said except the last line. I wouldn't say it is unrealistic, being the Tcat and Sidewinder throw up big numbers stock.

 

[Confused]

I agree with all you say except the last sentence.
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the Mach to achieve 115mph in stock form.

haha, we typed almost the same response at the same time.

 

[earthling]

I agree with all you say except the last sentence.
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the Mach to achieve 115mph in stock form.

It isn't but I think most of the guys who ran out and bought one are expecting more like a consistent 120, and not getting beat by an 850. So far, its a very shiny knife in the middle of a gunfight. I wonder if you compare a winder to a mach based on total cost to achieve equivalent levels of performance... how would that evaluation would come out ($$$ / MPH). Then there is TCO, how much does it take to keep the mach reliable, we know the winder is running on reliable yamapower so will the mach keep pace in longevity once (if) they are able to get to comparable power levels.

 

[sideshowBob]

I agree with all you say except the last sentence.
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the Mach to achieve 115mph in stock form.

We all know in the hands of the right tuner[hello Mike lol] these sleds will run big numbers but out of the crate on snow[not ice]...nope.

 

[74Nitro]

It isn't but I think most of the guys who ran out and bought one are expecting more like a consistent 120, and not getting beat by an 850. So far, its a very shiny knife in the middle of a gunfight. I wonder if you compare a winder to a mach based on total cost to achieve equivalent levels of performance... how would that evaluation would come out ($$$ / MPH). Then there is TCO, how much does it take to keep the mach reliable, we know the winder is running on reliable yamapower so will the mach keep pace in longevity once (if) they are able to get to comparable power levels.

It was on these boards when the 19 SRX came out that someone achieved 120+ mph in completely stock form GPS
Therefore, given that the SRX is 205 while the Mach is 195 with a higher track, expecting 120 plus may be slightly greedy.
At this point, especially given that the Mach ECU is one tough egg that can't be cracked, the Winder is far better bang for the buck.

 

[sideshowBob]

It was on these boards when the 19 SRX came out that someone achieved 120+ mph in completely stock form GPS
Therefore, given that the SRX is 205 while the Mach is 195 with a higher track, expecting 120 plus may be slightly greedy.
At this point, especially given that the Mach ECU is one tough egg that can't be cracked, the Winder is far better bang for the buck.

I agree...the SW or 998s are the better choice for performance and especially if you want more then stock. The tunes available for the 998s are good bang for the buck.

 

[RAMSOMAIR]

Stock 19 SRX with 3000km on ice at the end of the winter 2019.