AmsOil Vs. Yamalube

[SledderSteve]

A couple folks, you know who you are, either need to behave and play nice or take the discussion to PM's.

Otherwise, very interesting thread.

Did I miss something???

Nope, it's all good now.

 

[rehm70]

Amsoil the Holy Grail of oil???? I wore my fingers out explaining how I felt ANY synthetic oil is better than crude-based.

Thanks for the temps, RuppRider. The reason Amsoil was comparing against Yamalube, with the dry ice, is because it is truly business. Yamalube is a good, well respected oil in the four-stroke arena, and AMSOIL wants to break into that market.

Bypass filters have NOTHING to do with the choice or benefits of Amsoil in our trucks. No one, not even your Lord-In-Savior Mobil 1 makes a Heavy Duty Diesel oil that is 5w-30!!!!

The benefits of using Amsoil are self explanetary without even doing any research....look at the bottles.
NO OTHER OIL COMPANY pushes the envelope on viscosity like Amsoil. 5w-30 Diesel oil, 0w-30 engine oil(Mobil has taken 0w-30 out of mass circulation) and 0w-20.
Manufacturing the viscosity levels like they do tells the consumer that they use the finest basestocks and blending techniques to achieve that.

The 0-40 four stroke was out 4 years ago, and while my dealer was blowing smoke up my butt about not running it in my atv's, cuz it was "too slippery" I was enjoying easy starts @ 0' temps! The real problem with being "too slippery" was that some inferior synthetics were not Wet Clutch compatable, and it ruined the starter clutches. Amsoil did their homework and created a new market.

Look, we can use whatever oil we want, and as far as the smoke and mirrors comment, I just wish people would know a little bit more about things instead of immedietly dragging whatever is foreign to them through the mudd.
How 'bout telling us something valuable about the oil, or product any of us chooses to use instead of bashing something of which we know NOTHING about?

ROYAL PURPLE, as far as I know, is a decent-synthetic oil. They use alot of extreme-pressure additives that work well in differentials and gearcases, but I think is overkill and not needed as much as the anti-foaming, acid, and temperature breakdown additives needed in engine use.
My wife and I actually had dinner with two Royal Purple execs when we were on the 2004 Hot Rod Magazine Power Tour.
Nice guys with a Texas drawl!

BTW, the question of how Mobil 1 would do in our semi's with the bypass filters? I have an answer...............Not worth a damn. The friction loss of the 5-30 compared to a 15-40 is huge. Friction is heat, and sooner or later heat is wear. Also, saving .2mpg, when you get 6.8mpg to start with is huge. Multiply that over the 180,000miles that truck ran a year, @ $3 a gallon and you save over $2,200 a year in fuel!
To me, that is incredible.
We change my wife's oil once a year, and filter every quarter. That saves me from doing 9-11 oil changes a year over crude oil. That's another benefit of Amsoil.
She puts on alot of miles, so for us, the expensive Amsoil works well, for some who don't, others(like Mobil) will work just fine.

I have used amsoil for over 20 years whit nothing bad to say about them,i bought the series 2000 0w30 for this winter,what do you think,will it be ok,i will put it in wen i reach 2 000 km which comes to about 1 200 milles.

That should be fine, I'd think.

 

[rehm70]

my comment of Ams being "the holy grail" of oils was not meant to offend...so appologies.....and the "smoke and mirrors" was as a consumer how it seemed to me...again, I ran the pro 2000 race in my sled....they claimed more engine power to better ring seal...as a consumer seemed no better than klotz etc....
I just wonder why no oem engine manufacturer uses amsoil at the factory like mobil one?

and I see you are involved in motor racing..so maybe you are sponsored by amsoil...so a good product priced right...yeah I'd be on that..
I do see your point of the multi viscosities ....but most of your points related to your dads semi....and now your wifes auto...and if I ran a vehicle high mileage I would take advantage of the bypass extended life and oil analysis...
but we are talking of our sleds here....most run 1500-2000 miles a year.. and BASED ON THAT ALONE..
and the ease of accessablity and price of Mobil one.......
explains my thoughts...

Unless you can tell me why apples to apples for our specific application where amsoil is better?

I agree with your points, no, we don't get sponsored, so we have to buy our oil(dangit...).
I think Mobil probably pays the Oem's to advertise that their oil comes in their engines. Maybe not, though.......
I think the lower viscosity help our cold weather sarting, that's all.

 

[rehm70]

Here's some oil testing sheets....sorry, some are hard to read. And yes, they're from year 2000, so I suppose some have changed.

Not to be a whiner, but I wonder which oil from Amsoi they are using?
Only thing I have to say about that sheet.
I don't know much about Motul engine oil, but I DO know they make the best brake fluid, by far.

Derek

 

[**sj**]

what's the long and the short of the sheets....hard to read?

 

[1xr]

I myself have only had one bad experiance with amway, oh I mean ansoil. Is'nt the product sold by multi level marketing scheme?

 

[rehm70]

Scheme?

 

[XDooMan]

Not to be a whiner, but I wonder which oil from Amsoi they are using?
Only thing I have to say about that sheet.
I don't know much about Motul engine oil, but I DO know they make the best brake fluid, by far.

Derek




There are certainly lots of different grades that's for sure.

 

[aVenture]

Oil talks, hot as usual.
I have no numbers, charts or whatever.
But went to full syntetic base with Amsoil 20w50 air cool V-Twin formula this summer in my RoadStar, after 15000 km of Yamalube. To the second i started the bike i ear the valve train (for the first time)during warm-up, still is every single time, to the point i will give it a Yamalube treatment next season.... we'll see then.. coincidence is not likely.

One would tell, sled stuff is one opposite temperature range world, i agree. But i sure never had a scary cranking yet on my 3 season old, 15000 km Yamalube treated Genesis-120. For what my injured ears tells me, i'll have to wait the RoadStar outcome next summer to do another test.

 

[**sj**]

is that one vote for yamalube?

I was just about to jump on the ams bus too....lol

I notice other than yam....nobody is making a 0w-30?? and I know you can use 5 or10w-30 or 0w-40...but would prefer the suggested viscosity

 

[87gtNOS]

sj, I feel that they are all good oils. They all meet the OE specs.
I think everyone will be fine no matter the oil they choose provided they take care of their equipment. Like a proper warm-up, and regular oil changes. Regular in our cases is say twice a season, once in Fall, once mid-winter.

 

[Daranello]

Twice a season, insn't that overkill???

 

[87gtNOS]

Twice a season, insn't that overkill???

My oil was pretty black after last yr, perhaps due to the nitrous....so i will change mine twice this season....

 

[Daranello]

nitrous....ah well that doesn't count!

 

[scar]

is that one vote for yamalube?

I was just about to jump on the ams bus too....lol

I notice other than yam....nobody is making a 0w-30?? and I know you can use 5 or10w-30 or 0w-40...but would prefer the suggested viscosity

Amsoil makes 0w30