Can’t seem to get my XTX to hook up...

[Eric4440]

New to me 14 XTX, has hygear dual pressure chamber in rear float, and a ZBROS 160lb front skid spring on it, and I just cannot seem to get this thing to good up decent. Front floats are at 65PSI, tried playing with the front skid spring preload, rear shock pressure, and it just seems to want to spin rather than hook up. Even on a hard pack trail, I know everyone says these are wheelie machines, but I have the opposite experience with mine. Only way I ever get the front end up is if I nail it going over a small hill. And even then sometimes it will just spin...

Also I cannot let the limiters out any further cause the front shock is already extended to the max, with the limiters one hole tighter than the factory location..

Anyone have any insight?

 

[mikextx]

sounds like the front shock is to short. you should be able to loosen your straps all the way out, which would help a lot hook wise

 

[Eric4440]

sounds like the front shock is to short. you should be able to loosen your straps all the way out, which would help a lot hook wise

That’s what I was thinking also, but did they come too short or something? I see the part has been superseded to an updated one, maybe it’s longer?

I also thought about doing what stingray did and moving the mount point on the rails forward, which would give me more length and help with transfer...

 

[murdered141]

How many miles on the sled, the 1.6 cobra is a soft track that gets softer with miles, might need a 1.75" bc to hook up, perhaps snow conditions haven't been in your favor either.

 

[Eric4440]

How many miles on the sled, the 1.6 cobra is a soft track that gets softer with miles, might need a 1.75" bc to hook up, perhaps snow conditions haven't been in your favor either.

Sled has 3200 miles on it. I even tried riding in the grass when we had no snow and it still had trouble hooking up..

 

[cannondale27]

Take some pics of your suspension. Measure the center shock. Who knows maybe they did put wrong one in? Does the rear sag when you get on it?

 

[murdered141]

Maybe the owner before you added the hygear chamber to keep the front end down, check the pressure in shock and chamber.

 

[Eric4440]

Take some pics of your suspension. Measure the center shock. Who knows maybe they did put wrong one in? Does the rear sag when you get on it?

Cannondale I am wondering if the factory did in fact put the wrong shock in, because everyone I’ve asked, and according to the parts diagram, the limiters should be in the center holes. Mine are one tighter than center, and they still are not pulled tight when the weight is off the suspension. And I see NO indentations in the straps where it used to be in the center holes, so that rules out the PO changing them...

Maybe the factory accidentally put an LTX shock in the front? I believe those have a more forward lower mounting point, which may call for a shorter shock...

I will pull it and measure center to center tomorrow, Does anyone know how long it should be? Finally maybe we’re on to something here, cause this has been bothering me for WEEKS




Murdered, I have played with the pressures in the rear shock to no avail, with and without the hygear linkage kit, but I appreciate the suggestion!

 

[mikextx]

I was gonna look up the ltx shock length, but am to lazy. I was thinking the same thing, wrong shock in there

 

[murdered141]

I am getting a 141 xtx skid ready to put in my ltx, bought shocks on ebay supposedly for an xtx, rear shock is same but front shock is from a 153" which is shorter, but would work if i tighten the limiter straps, maybe thats what happened in your case straight from the factory, would explain the limiter strap setting, part# is on bottom of shock eye, its the upper 7 digit #, cross reference it on country cats oem parts look up, this way you will at least know if you have the correct shock.

 

[Eric4440]

I am getting a 141 xtx skid ready to put in my ltx, bought shocks on ebay supposedly for an xtx, rear shock is same but front shock is from a 153" which is shorter, but
would work if i tighten the limiter straps, maybe thats what happened in your case straight from the factory, would explain the limiter strap setting, part# is on bottom of shock eye, its the upper 7 digit #, cross reference it on country cats oem parts look up, this way you will at least know if you have the correct shock.

I will definitely look at this tomorrow! Is there a website or something that I can find the specs on the shocks so I know what the correct length is?

 

[cannondale27]

I will definitely look at this tomorrow! Is there a website or something that I can find the specs on the shocks so I know what the correct length is?

Here

 

[Eric4440]

Here
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Thank you very much!! HUGE help! Looking forward to getting this one figured out... will report back my findings tomorrow evening.

This forum rocks

 

[blueironranger]

The Cobra folds the lugs and spins, I like the track other than the overly soft lugs. Stock shock on my 14’ is fully extended with the strap in the center holes on both sides of the strap. With the track just above the ground, and the front suspension maxed the rear of the skid JUST lifts off the ground before the front does. I finally have mine lifting the skis a little with the 110# center spring 6 turns from loose and 115psi in the rear Float 2 with a fettbros non adjustable canister on it. Me, at 200# with gear on, has this setup railing the trails pretty good and will actually get a little air under the skis with HARD throttle. Anything more than 130# of air in the rear GLUES the skis to the ground and makes it hard to steer. Less 110 lets it “wheelie” more but sag gets too bad. I think it could benefit from a slightly longer shock or moving the mount forward.

 

[Eric4440]

The Cobra folds the lugs and spins, I like the track other than the overly soft lugs. Stock shock on my 14’ is fully extended with the strap in the center holes on both sides of the strap. With the track just above the ground, and the front suspension maxed the rear of the skid JUST lifts off the ground before the front does. I finally have mine lifting the skis a little with the 110# center spring 6 turns from loose and 115psi in the rear Float 2 with a fettbros non adjustable canister on it. Me, at 200# with gear on, has this setup railing the trails pretty good and will actually get a little air under the skis with HARD throttle. Anything more than 130# of air in the rear GLUES the skis to the ground and makes it hard to steer. Less 110 lets it “wheelie” more but sag gets too bad. I think it could benefit from a slightly longer shock or moving the mount forward.

is there any tension on your straps with the sled in the air with the weight off the suspension? mine are 1 tighter than center to center and the straps are still not tight with no weight