Hygear twisted springs

[1nc 2000]

How it Works Twisted Spring Kits

www.hygearsuspension.com

 

[earthling]

I understand what you are saying , as I suspected that to be the case .
But , based on your explanation the Twisted spring appears to still have a lot more usable softer rate available , as it transitions to the stiffer spring only .
Does the soft spring , on the twisted spring ,have to coil bind , before the main spring takes over 100 % , or does the soft spring compress to a point short of binding where its rate is equal to or more than the main spring ? ( I imagine you need to put the spring on a press to see this )
Does the spring ever completely compress or bind on a real big hit , to stop the shock from reaching it's full travel , and if not is the rubber stopper on the shock meant to protect it from the damage that may occur if that was to happen ?
I am just trying to understand , as shock and spring set up is possibly the most difficult aspect of sled set up , particularily when you get inside the shock and start playing with the countless options of valving , to address ride preference .
Hence the role our experts play on this site .

I respectfully use words like appears and imagine , to show my limited knowledge of a scenario , whenever the case is true .
The posts get longer when the season locally has come to an end , and trailering to open trails is not a daily possibility !

When you stack two springs, they don't individually compress (one then the other). So before you can switch to a purely linear rate of the bottom spring in this case, you must go through a period of travel where the combined rate is LESS than either spring, and then bind the top one so you can use the lower spring. On the hygear this happens through the collar. On the stock SRX spring this happens in the spring itself. It doesn't matter what is causing the binding, the result is the same. You want to run in the linear spring rate during the working part of your shock stroke (the 2/3rds or so of the spring you use most often).

If you go back and look at the picture of the sidewinder resting on the ground with the hygear setup you will see that there is actually very little room for the upper spring to move because the inner collar has been raised up, closing the gap.

Hygear will be the most flexibile option but go back to step one. What is wrong with your current setup? If nothing, leave it alone and focus on valving. If you just want to know how it works then I applaud you trying to figure it out because it can be tricky.

 

[Sledroll]

How it Works Twisted Spring Kits

www.hygearsuspension.com

Sooooooo.
It appears from the video in the press ,
The Twisted soft spring does not bind when it closes , or transfers to the main spring exclusively .
I assume not binding is a good thing for any spring ?
It appears even when you put more preload , the soft spring still does not bind , as the main spring takes over .
If this is all true , I would imagine that if there was ever to be any binding on the Twisted spring , it would be the main spring that does it first ????

 

[earthling]

Sooooooo.
It appears from the video in the press ,
The Twisted soft spring does not bind when it closes , or transfers to the main spring exclusively .
I assume not binding is a good thing for any spring ?
It appears even when you put more preload , the soft spring still does not bind , as the main spring takes over .
If this is all true , I would imagine that if there was ever to be any binding on the Twisted spring , it would be the main spring that does it first ????

Yes

There are two kinds of binding, coil binding (coil on coil) and spring binding which comes from the fact that the spring wants to turn as it is being compressed. Coil binding (SRX spring) doesn't hurt anything. The hygear will be more adjustable.

 

[1nc 2000]

Sooooooo.
It appears from the video in the press ,
The Twisted soft spring does not bind when it closes , or transfers to the main spring exclusively .
I assume not binding is a good thing for any spring ?
It appears even when you put more preload , the soft spring still does not bind , as the main spring takes over .
If this is all true , I would imagine that if there was ever to be any binding on the Twisted spring , it would be the main spring that does it first ????

I dont think there would be any spring binding happening unless a person was to crank the preload on the spring too far.
The shock would hit the rubber stopper first.
This setup is pretty adjustable.
The crossover sleeve between the two springs are adjustable. Just moving the adjustable crossover will make a big change without moving the initial sag setting.

 

[twyztid]

Sooooooo.
It appears from the video in the press ,
The Twisted soft spring does not bind when it closes , or transfers to the main spring exclusively .
I assume not binding is a good thing for any spring ?
It appears even when you put more preload , the soft spring still does not bind , as the main spring takes over .
If this is all true , I would imagine that if there was ever to be any binding on the Twisted spring , it would be the main spring that does it first ????

I don't think that you understand that the Hygear setup uses an adjustable crossover spacer that FORCES the spring set into the final rate. There is never any coil bind on the upper or lower spring. The SRX front springs do not have this crossover spacer and use coil bind in the tightly wrapped coils to force it to the final rate of the spring.

 

[Sledroll]

I don't think that you understand that the Hygear setup uses an adjustable crossover spacer that FORCES the spring set into the final rate. There is never any coil bind on the upper or lower spring. The SRX front springs do not have this crossover spacer and use coil bind in the tightly wrapped coils to force it to the final rate of the spring.

learning more ....
So you can change the main spring preload by adjusting the crossover spacer ?
And then set the soft coil to address the small bumps ?

 

[earthling]

learning more ....
So you can change the main spring preload by adjusting the crossover spacer ?
And then set the soft coil to address the small bumps ?

The crossover only sets the binding of the tender spring (top spring), and that sets the transition to the main spring. The entire collar assembly is floating between the springs and is not attached to the shock body.

The preload is set by the top nut on your shock body which compresses both springs.

 

[twyztid]

I wish there were somewhere else to buy these spring kits than just Hygear. I called Friday, was put on hold for a while, was told a tech was not available to talk to me and it would be better to email. I sent an email right away. Still no reply to my email by late-morning today so I sent it again. Still no reply. I want to talk to them about the setup that I am after. I don't want to just fill in the field on the order page on their website and have them send me whatever they feel like.
Not very good customer service......

 

[1nc 2000]

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These guys will set you up also.

 

[twyztid]

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These guys will set you up also.

But... they are in Canada. I am in Michigan.
Hygear did finally respond to me but I think it was just a salesperson again. I didn't get much more information that what I already knew or had talked about with the person on the phone originally. I listed 6-7 different top & main spring combinations and their effective rates in my email and had asked if one of them was what they would suggest for me (gave them all my details). They replied that any could work but they mainly use 150-lb main springs for the 4-strokes... and just to put in the order notes what I wanted to order. WTF?

 

[1nc 2000]

I use them for the Elka shocks on my wife's sled and I live in Michigan.

 

[1nc 2000]

But... they are in Canada. I am in Michigan.
Hygear did finally respond to me but I think it was just a salesperson again. I didn't get much more information that what I already knew or had talked about with the person on the phone originally. I listed 6-7 different top & main spring combinations and their effective rates in my email and had asked if one of them was what they would suggest for me (gave them all my details). They replied that any could work but they mainly use 150-lb main springs for the 4-strokes... and just to put in the order notes what I wanted to order. WTF?

The setup from hygear that I have works really good with the limiter strap shortened one hole.
I like to leave my limiter strap in the stock location and use all my suspension in the rough for the better ride. Running hard thru the rough is where I felt it too soft up front for me.
I would rather it to ride better in the trail junk than corner like a slot car.
Small adjustments is noticeable.

 

[1nc 2000]

I know Barn of Part is working on making a replacement swaybar. Stocker I recommend having a spare on hand if you ride hard and I know you do. If in a pinch and need to ride next weekend give me a call. I am done riding I believe.

Found a brand new swaybar at one of the dealers nearby. Good thing because they are on backorder until next winter.

 

[cannondale27]

Found a brand new swaybar at one of the dealers nearby. Good thing because they are on backorder until next winter.

Yes I heard that. I have a spare now. Kinda scary.