Nytro Bent Front End this one has hit nothing WITH PICTURES

[Yamahnator]

I talked to the Yammi Reps at Cedar Pines last week and of corse they have heard nothing about this problem. They also said not to stud but we all know thats just a bunch of B.S. **edit by Crewchief47: Perhaps those reps are required to say those things due to legal issues???**

I saw the trailer there on Sunday. Buzzed by, but didn't see anyone I recognized. The sleds were all out on the trail.

 

[08NitroRTX]

hmm There are dealers and Yamaha reps out there that know of this......

I think mums the word from them until more 'data' is aquired......

I personally dont see them fixing/changing anything on our sleds...... 09's maybe?? And then it'll just be structual change and we'll all have to order 09 spec front frame and or upper a-arms for our 08s OR repair/reinforce them our selves......

good luck

 

[Jesster]

IMO, paying nearly $15k CAN. to be a guinea pig is bull, let alone having to pay to fix Yamaha's mistakes ourselves. R&D is supposed to be done in the R&D phase, not after the product is released. If Yamaha didn't have any of these issues with Nytro during testing, I say Yamaha needs some new testers. I'll show you goons what breaks and what needs work!

The whole reason I bought a new sled was for reliability. And now I find out I just bought a "production prototype."

I'll tell you what Yamaha; if this thing gives me any trouble, I'm gonna sell it to some poor stupid kid and buy an Elan and a hot tub.

What if somebody signs the pink for their heap back to the dealer, and puts the video on Youtube. That vid would spread like wildfire. Imagine what that would do to a company's reputation?

Lastly, HOW ARE SNOWMOBILE MANUFACTURERS GETTING AWAY WITH THIS? Could you imagine if GM released a car that bent subframes during normal use? Or if Ford built a car that needed all new ball joints and bushings after 1000 km?

We as consumers need to start speaking out against this crap! It just isn't right.

Anyway I'm done my rant. I need another beer.

 

[08NitroRTX]

Jesster
(not like I am sticking up for Yamaha here but...)

I understand what you are saying BUT every new model WILL have issues! Some big some small but the overall package of what we were given as a first model year FX Nytro IS pretty darn impressive! NO it's not perfect but what is? For those that are 'scared' or actually had slight damage to ther front frame or a-arms, (you didn't hit anything) you have two choices you can wait for Yamaha to do something or you can take it upon yourself to improve what you bought!

Right or wrong: I have chosen the latter.....

 

[Crewchief47]

IMO, paying nearly $15k CAN. to be a guinea pig is bull, let alone having to pay to fix Yamaha's mistakes ourselves. R&D is supposed to be done in the R&D phase, not after the product is released. If Yamaha didn't have any of these issues with Nytro during testing, I say Yamaha needs some new testers. I'll show you goons what breaks and what needs work!

The whole reason I bought a new sled was for reliability. And now I find out I just bought a "production prototype."

I'll tell you what Yamaha; if this thing gives me any trouble, I'm gonna sell it to some poor stupid kid and buy an Elan and a hot tub.

What if somebody signs the pink for their heap back to the dealer, and puts the video on Youtube. That vid would spread like wildfire. Imagine what that would do to a company's reputation?

Lastly, HOW ARE SNOWMOBILE MANUFACTURERS GETTING AWAY WITH THIS? Could you imagine if GM released a car that bent subframes during normal use? Or if Ford built a car that needed all new ball joints and bushings after 1000 km?

We as consumers need to start speaking out against this crap! It just isn't right.

Anyway I'm done my rant. I need another beer.

That's a pretty good rant. I'd hate to see what would happen if this issue was leaving you on the side of the trail or injured. If you really want to sell your sled, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

And if you don't think the car manufacturers ever do this then I guess they never issue recalls. I can recall a door crack issue on the 97 and later F150's(I had one) that 'made it through the R&D phase'.....

 

[CROW]

IMO, paying nearly $15k CAN. to be a guinea pig is bull, let alone having to pay to fix Yamaha's mistakes ourselves. R&D is supposed to be done in the R&D phase, not after the product is released. If Yamaha didn't have any of these issues with Nytro during testing, I say Yamaha needs some new testers. I'll show you goons what breaks and what needs work!

The whole reason I bought a new sled was for reliability. And now I find out I just bought a "production prototype."

I'll tell you what Yamaha; if this thing gives me any trouble, I'm gonna sell it to some poor stupid kid and buy an Elan and a hot tub.

What if somebody signs the pink for their heap back to the dealer, and puts the video on Youtube. That vid would spread like wildfire. Imagine what that would do to a company's reputation?

Lastly, HOW ARE SNOWMOBILE MANUFACTURERS GETTING AWAY WITH THIS? Could you imagine if GM released a car that bent subframes during normal use? Or if Ford built a car that needed all new ball joints and bushings after 1000 km?

We as consumers need to start speaking out against this crap! It just isn't right.

Anyway I'm done my rant. I need another beer.

That's a pretty good rant. I'd hate to see what would happen if this issue was leaving you on the side of the trail or injured. If you really want to sell your sled, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

And if you don't think the car manufacturers ever do this then I guess they never issue recalls. I can recall a door crack issue on the 97 and later F150's(I had one) that 'made it through the R&D phase'.....

So Chief, would you agree with the above rant if no recall is issued?

 

[Crewchief47]

So Chief, would you agree with the above rant if no recall is issued?

I would agree with the above rant ONLY if no recall/TSB or other form of acknowledgment is not forth coming. Also, an accurate number as to the percentage of failures. I'd be hard pressed to want a recall out of Yamaha if the 'failure' rate is 1%(pulled a number out of the air). Point is, it's too early in the game for Yamaha to have a handle on the possible issue.

They stepped up with the Viper shock and the Phazer link issue that I can recall right now. What makes anyone think that this time would be any different if an issue is proven????

There are any number of reasons that the protos had no issues in testing, not the least of which is who did the welding on the frames, where did the tubing come from, who coated the parts, heat treated/not heat treated.........................................................

 

[CROW]

I'd like to see if this problem could be narrowed down to a certain VIN range of sleds. Maybe a bad back of subframes from a supplier or is it really a design flaw???

 

[acesfan05]

I just have a few thoughts on this...

I've got about 400 miles on my FX Nytro (standard). I have ridden mountains, swamps with 4 feet of fresh powder, wickedly hammered and beat to death trails/moguls (Petersville, AK), lakes (where I hit a big ice chunk at about 70mph back my Specer Glacier in Placer, AK); I've ridden slow and fast, beat the crap out of the sled and also taken it easy on her.

I plan on having well over 1000 miles on it before June (gotta love Alaska and how long we can ride )!!!

My point is, I've beaten on this sled already and guess what: my front end is also tweaked! My left shock is centered and my right shock is farthur back toward the A-arm. I noticed it after my fourth ride. I started reading these posts and became alarmed, yet after thinking about it a lot, I agree that it is a bummer and needs to be addressed, but It has not in one slight way effected my riding. I have not once been bothered when riding by it. As long as it doesn't effect my riding, it isn't a major concern for me.

I would like to thank TurboJamie though for the way in which you have brought this subject up and for the way in which you have dealt with it.

Thanks too to Nikolai for posting those wicked-#*$&@ pics! That's the way to represent the 907! Sweet air dude and if I was a long-track kinda guy, I'd have the FX Nytro MTX too

Also, thanks to unpride for thinking winter is half over. Maybe where you ride it is, but here in Alaska we're just getting into the primetime and we'll be riding through April, into March and for the real extremists, June too

Have Fun fellas!

Will

 

[NOS-PRO]

08NitroRTX - To reply to your post, I have 8 inch carbide, and no problems. stock skis. Have a set of C&A Razors, but haven't mounted them yet.

 

[rapeape]

Sweet Jesus!, could someone post PICTURES of the bent subframe.

9 pages of blabbing and not one pic of the bent subframe. No wonder why Yamaha is blowing you guys off.

This is what a picture looks like...

 

[Goddo]

Guys, Ulmer posted a pic of a bent subframe months ago. I also copied the link for the photo into another post about these subframes.

Here is the Yamaha pic

And here is the bent one that was posted. I think I've seen another pic as well. (Maybe 08NytroRTX)

Look at the front towards the bottom and you can see where it's twisted the right side back.

 

[rapeape]

Everyone should thank you.

 

[Unluckydiablo]

Head over to yamaha sled talk, I just asked chris about this, and got a reply, that basically went "yes we are aware, no we don't know why". Thats good enough for me. Until they can FIX IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, I myself would rather they didn't fix it. It sucks, I know, but how would you feel if they came out with a fix to apease you (whoever YOU might be) and then that didn't work either. You'd be really tac'n! It does suck, but let them get it right.

 

[redsnake3]

i have worked on two at the local dealership now and both are the right side, what about everyone elses? it seems like it is mostly the right side that this is happening.