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Rear suspension sagging?

If i do end up buying stiffer springs wont it make the coupled travel stiffer too? I dont want the only useable travel to be the top 1/4 before it hits the coupler blocks.
 

swampcat said:
Try this. Jack up front of sled. Loosen and remove ALL preload from ski springs. Tighten preload just enough to keep springs in place. Put sled back on floor and check again.
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That kind of makes sense. The weight is all being carried by the skis and the rear of the suspension causing it to sit on the coupler blocks. This could explain the sag, but i am still confused on the coupled travel being so stiff.
 
ThatOneGuy'sBrother said:
That kind of makes sense. The weight is all being carried by the skis and the rear of the suspension causing it to sit on the coupler blocks. This could explain the sag, but i am still confused on the coupled travel being so stiff.
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My 17 LTX LE was amazing , floated effortlessly over Sunday trails at high speed .
Now sags and have lost a lot of travel .
I re positioned the cross bar without blocks about an inch back so I have a little more travel , and freshened the shocks up .
Still sags so I got the Star 5 position torsion cam , and am riding it on 5 .
Some of the sag is gone some of the time , but this setting seams to offset the rebound setting (i think it has rebound),on the rear shock and it is too firm and bouncy even on good trails . My shocks are now on #2 setting .
It sounds like so many things are different in my set up now , that I might be better off just getting a new sled with the electronic shocks.
The only 2 things stopping me , is that I believe the new shocks on the LTX LE or SRX are not as good as the ones I have on my current sled , and I would be trading down.
AND MY WIFE !
I would need a complete wrap that looks like my current red and white sled to fool her .
OR
buy a Cat version (ouch) , and tell her it is one of my sons , as he has 3 black Cat sleds , that she pays no attention to , and has lost track of what he has.
SOOOOO just now my wife sits down and asks me what I am doing.
I told her it was snowmobile stuff.
Out of the blue , she says when are you going to sell one of my sons back up sleds ! WTF !
It is like she went up to the garage last night while I was asleep , and took an inventory !
I think I know where this is heading .
Begging for Mercy , instead of asking permission !!!!
 
Sledroll said:
My 17 LTX LE was amazing , floated effortlessly over Sunday trails at high speed .
Now sags and have lost a lot of travel .
I re positioned the cross bar without blocks about an inch back so I have a little more travel , and freshened the shocks up .
Still sags so I got the Star 5 position torsion cam , and am riding it on 5 .
Some of the sag is gone some of the time , but this setting seams to offset the rebound setting (i think it has rebound),on the rear shock and it is too firm and bouncy even on good trails . My shocks are now on #2 setting .
It sounds like so many things are different in my set up now , that I might be better off just getting a new sled with the electronic shocks.
The only 2 things stopping me , is that I believe the new shocks on the LTX LE or SRX are not as good as the ones I have on my current sled , and I would be trading down.
AND MY WIFE !
I would need a complete wrap that looks like my current red and white sled to fool her .
OR
buy a Cat version (ouch) , and tell her it is one of my sons , as he has 3 black Cat sleds , that she pays no attention to , and has lost track of what he has.
SOOOOO just now my wife sits down and asks me what I am doing.
I told her it was snowmobile stuff.
Out of the blue , she says when are you going to sell one of my sons back up sleds ! WTF !
It is like she went up to the garage last night while I was asleep , and took an inventory !
I think I know where this is heading .
Begging for Mercy , instead of asking permission !!!!
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Oh man I hope mine never takes a inventory!
 
The coupler blocks only contact first to stop wheelys and start compressing the center shock! Under normal riding your in the center of the sled compressing all the suspension at once. Pushing down on the bumper means nothing really but if your springs are to weak it will act like your pushing down on the back bumper with out doing so!
 
This is a neat video that explains it well. As far as it relates to the 2020 which raised the lower front a-arm mount on spindle. Think of that raising being a hill or think of the weight of you pushing down on rear as a hill or think of wieght of ice and snow in tunnel as a hill.
 
swampcat said:
Try this. Jack up front of sled. Loosen and remove ALL preload from ski springs. Tighten preload just enough to keep springs in place. Put sled back on floor and check again.
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Well i have some good news. Taking the preload out of the ski shocks definitely made a difference! And it makes sense. It let the sled tip forward more and took the weight off the rear of the sled. I had to adjust it about an inch at the shock 0nut to get it where its at now.

The front a-arms are almost level. You have to push the nose down about an inch or so to make it level.

With the spring cam set on high it will spring back up when you get off. It doesn't go all the way back up but very close. I would say a half inch from fully extended.

With the front end lowered there is more rear suspension travel before it hits the coupler blocks then before. But still not as much as the pre 2020 LTXs

The way the rear suspension moves now seems like it will be similar to the other sidewinder LTXs. Except when it hits the coupler blocks. When it hits the coupler blocks it does not move. With my wife and i on the sled jumping on the running boards we can not compress the coupled travel. The uncoupled travel seems good now!

Plus is it seems like it should ride acceptable! Makes me feel a lot better! As the sled has not been on snow yet my hope is the coupled travel will free up a bit after some miles!
 
hellflyer said:
Still sounds like the springs are weak! Mine on 1 top right out when it comes up
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You gotta wonder why the variances. I suspect we will either find the springs bad like you said or a geometry change done mid run that nobody was informed of. Either way dont make a big deal over sag unless it affect actually riding. Many sleds including my Phazer and alot of other makes are designed to have alot of sag with little or no weight on them and ride awesome. Ever see somebody get off of their R-Motion Doo or the new Poo's? At least 8 inches of rider sag when setup for trail riding.
 
cannondale27 said:
You gotta wonder why the variances. I suspect we will either find the springs bad like you said or a geometry change done mid run that nobody was informed of. Either way dont make a big deal over sag unless it affect actually riding. Many sleds including my Phazer and alot of other makes are designed to have alot of sag with little or no weight on them and ride awesome. Ever see somebody get off of their R-Motion Doo or the new Poo's? At least 8 inches of rider sag when setup for trail riding.
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I agree that we dont have a clue how it is actually going to ride untill we get it on the snow!

But before when i would get on the sled with the stock settings, the rear suspension would not move unless we had 450 pounds on the rear bumper. It would just sit on the coupler blocks.

It now has good movement until the coupler blocks. And seems like it should have a decent ride. Just need to wait till we get it on snow now and see how it rides!
 
Glad you have the suspension going in the right direction.
Best thing is to ride it and take it from there, they don’t come setup from the dealer, I couldn’t turn the bars on mine when it was new, thought I was going to bend the bars to turn.
With front springs loosen all the way and tighten one turn, rear spring adjuster on 1 and compression knob on 1, still playing with centre spring my sled handles way better then the way the dealer set it up.
 
Without going through this whole thread again are you 2020 guys all in the correct mounting hole?
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Yes the rear bolts on mine are in the correct hole. And the long arm of torsion spring mount is installed correctly.

The front suspension mount has 3 different holes to mount it in. That is in the rear most hole.
 
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