Starter issues on vipers

[staggs65]

I hear ya. But I think it's just numbers. You can't go anywhere without seeing a bunch of vipers. None of the other models can say that. Production of the viper over the last 3 years most likely surpasses their total of all other machines produced with the 1049 engine combined since it was released. Also people are riding more the last few years. That's my take.


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Valid point. That would be an interesting thread. Have everyone who hasn't had a starter issue so far post which flash and how many miles.

 

[NOS-PRO]

Valid point. That would be an interesting thread. Have everyone who hasn't had a starter issue so far post which flash and how many miles.

Staggs - can you get this poll going?

My 2014 XTX, close to 5,000 miles on original starter.
Original 2014 ECU (4 hot start issues....2 in winter and 2 in summer racing) hot start method worked
February 2015 -Yamaha re-flash to 2015 (Rough idle, kick-back and lean pop, poor (high) engagement and back-fire) adjusted fuel controller to richen fuel from 2,000 to 3,250 - no issues after that
April 2015 - bought a 2014 original ECU for racing, sent my 2015 ECU to EVO (only 1 hot start issue racing)
October 2015 - EVO Performance flash stage 4 (testing for EVO, absolutely 0 issues thus far)

For starting a sled, I would have figured mine would have given up by now..... A minimum of 25 starts each day racing (and I raced every race plus test and tune days) for a total of 34 race events. That was just this summer. Now figure how many times in winter, dyno runs, loading and unloading trailer, changing tracks, gears and oil....that is a lot.

 

[yamamarc]

I have a 2014 viper rtx se with 2500kms original flash no starting issues what so ever (knock on wood)
My wife has the zr 7000 limited (identical to mine) with original flash with 2500kms she had a hard time starting it 1 time after riding 2 hours in warm weather (+2 degrees Celsius) it took 3 attempts and started right up no kick back

 

[staggs65]

I'm going to start a new thread for this just give me a few minutes

 

[NOS-PRO]

I'm going to start a new thread for this just give me a few minutes

Thanks bud

Hopefully all these starter threads can be put into a category like some of the tech tips

 

[cannondale27]

Here is another thing to keep a eye on. Was discussion about the batt cable length.Look at the negative connection. Is going to get corroded from the hole in tunnel throwing crud down there. Only good access is with exhaust removed. Way to long a cable and corrosion are a bad mix.

 

[cannondale27]

Thanks bud

Hopefully all these starter threads can be put into a category like some of the tech tips

Will see what I can do. Do we include Hot starts,Kickbacks,Cold Starts,Intermediate Gear,Starter Nose,Starter Magnets,Cables,Batteries,Flashes and now Electrical interference with ECU? Sorry being sarcastic but those words in a search will all bring up starter posts. According to the poll its not really a huge issue affecting many but it is a issue that scares all of us. Crazy!

 

[Dealerjohn]

I hear ya. But I think it's just numbers. You can't go anywhere without seeing a bunch of vipers. None of the other models can say that. Production of the viper over the last 3 years most likely surpasses their total of all other machines produced with the 1049 engine combined since it was released. Also people are riding more the last few years. That's my take.







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If you want to start making assumptions, please by all means go ahead. That is totally your provocative. However to play this issue down is not the correct thing to do. I very strongly doubt 3 years of Vipers have surpassed Nytro sales since 2008. The Nytro did very well for Yamaha. Yes the Viper has done better, but not that much better. Either way, this sled carries problems and if you are too blind to see that then I guess you are very happy with your sled. Ignorance is bliss.. I on the other hand would like both of my Vipers fixed, out of Arctic Cat's or Yamaha's pocket.

Answer me this, How many starters failed prior to 2014?

 

[shagman]

If you want to start making assumptions, please by all means go ahead. That is totally your provocative. However to play this issue down is not the correct thing to do. I very strongly doubt 3 years of Vipers have surpassed Nytro sales since 2008. The Nytro did very well for Yamaha. Yes the Viper has done better, but not that much better. Either way, this sled carries problems and if you are too blind to see that then I guess you are very happy with your sled. Ignorance is bliss.. I on the other hand would like both of my Vipers fixed, out of Arctic Cat's or Yamaha's pocket.

Answer me this, How many starters failed prior to 2014?

I'm just pointing out that like I said this problem was here before the viper. But I can state for a fact that the dealer here has had only 1 viper starter that they have fixed. But do 10-15 a year on vectors, nytros, ventures, and vk's back to 2009. Those are facts. As far as the sled having problems. If you have one and don't like it sell it. I like mine even with a failed starter (once). Only problem in 6000 miles. On how many were built I could get actual numbers but it's not worth my time for your ignorance of the point I am making. Also it's not my intention to play anything down. The starters are a problem but not exclusive to the viper or was it first. I'm also sorry if you can't your sled fixed. I would suggest you talk to your dealer or Yamaha instead of bitching at me. I had a problem Yamaha paid for it and if it happens again the will pay again. Move on and ride winter is already to short.


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[stingray719]

I'm just pointing out that like I said this problem was here before the viper. But I can state for a fact that the dealer here has had only 1 viper starter that they have fixed. But do 10-15 a year on vectors, nytros, ventures, and vk's back to 2009. Those are facts. As far as the sled having problems. If you have one and don't like it sell it. I like mine even with a failed starter (once). Only problem in 6000 miles. On how many were built I could get actual numbers but it's not worth my time for your ignorance of the point I am making. Also it's not my intention to play anything down. The starters are a problem but not exclusive to the viper or was it first. I'm also sorry if you can't your sled fixed. I would suggest you talk to your dealer or Yamaha instead of bitching at me. I had a problem Yamaha paid for it and if it happens again the will pay again. Move on and ride winter is already to short.


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First year was 5000 units. Didn't bother to find out how many since but you can assume it went up.

 

[Dealerjohn]

I'm just pointing out that like I said this problem was here before the viper. But I can state for a fact that the dealer here has had only 1 viper starter that they have fixed. But do 10-15 a year on vectors, nytros, ventures, and vk's back to 2009. Those are facts. As far as the sled having problems. If you have one and don't like it sell it. I like mine even with a failed starter (once). Only problem in 6000 miles. On how many were built I could get actual numbers but it's not worth my time for your ignorance of the point I am making. Also it's not my intention to play anything down. The starters are a problem but not exclusive to the viper or was it first. I'm also sorry if you can't your sled fixed. I would suggest you talk to your dealer or Yamaha instead of bitching at me. I had a problem Yamaha paid for it and if it happens again the will pay again. Move on and ride winter is already to short.


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The starter was replaced on my MTX by the dealer. It shows the same symptoms as before therefore the problem has not been fixed. I would imagine my XTX will have a starter replaced later this year as she is showing identical symptoms as the MTX. I love my Vipers.. but like I said, I want them fixed.
I'm sure every vehicle can have a isolated problem with the starter, so no it is not a new problem that was never seen before..
I spend a lot of time in very isolated places, the last thing I need is a starter to break.. Its not as simple as "if it happens again they will pay again" I have talked to them, but Yamaha isn't issuing a "fix" for this. They just want you to hold the key a couple seconds after the sled has started.. as I'm sure you know.
Winter isn't short around here either.. I've been riding since the first week in November.

 

[cannondale27]

The starter was replaced on my MTX by the dealer. It shows the same symptoms as before therefore the problem has not been fixed. I would imagine my XTX will have a starter replaced later this year as she is showing identical symptoms as the MTX. I love my Vipers.. but like I said, I want them fixed.
I'm sure every vehicle can have a isolated problem with the starter, so no it is not a new problem that was never seen before..
I spend a lot of time in very isolated places, the last thing I need is a starter to break.. Its not as simple as "if it happens again they will pay again" I have talked to them, but Yamaha isn't issuing a "fix" for this. They just want you to hold the key a couple seconds after the sled has started.. as I'm sure you know.
Winter isn't short around here either.. I've been riding since the first week in November.

When you say starter replaced is that all that was replaced? What are the symptoms you are talking about?