Team Primary on Winder secondary mocked up

[ClutchMaster]

Dam that Cutler spring is a beast!
Nice work, I think this is probably the best way to test a spring. It take into consideration the torsional & vertical spring pressures sums it up into one value equating to belt squeeze.

Great job!

 

[KnappAttack]

Dam that Cutler spring is a beast!
Nice work, I think this is probably the best way to test a spring. It take into consideration the torsional & vertical spring pressures sums it up into one value equating to belt squeeze.

Great job!

Thanks Steve, figure you would like this data! Glad I went back and readjusted the torsion forces to put mine and your OCD mind at ease with what seemed the large swing on the Dalton White and Purple EPI. Amazing what 10 or 20 degrees swing will do to the sideforce!

 

[stevewithOCD]

Looks like we all have OCD!

Obsessed with Clutch Disease

 

[KnappAttack]

Fired it up to test alignment by eye on the stand this afternoon. Alignment is spot on at 63.3 MM. I added shims for float so I could watch the clutch move in an out as it went thru its travel on the stand. Only floats away from the bearing or inside shim by about 1mm or so and only at an idle. So I'm able to remove the float shims and lock it down to the bearing for no float with confidence that lineup is perfect there.

This Team clutch is QUIET!!! It makes no noise whatsoever and is quite a change from the Rattlebox Yamaha Primary. I'm really liking this peace and quiet, and quite amazed how much better the machine sounds! I hope it performs just as well. I'd bet it does. I think its worth it alone just for getting rid of the noise the Yamaha primary made.

Team setup is going to pull easily 3-4% more OD from the looks of things along with lower ratio at the start too. Also, no belt deflection worries, its always tight no matter the wear or belt stretch. I figure I now have the better drive clutch from the Cat and the better secondary from the Yamaha. The best of both from the factory 998 world. Now to fine tune it. Just need snow or a trip north.

 

[DMCTurbo]

Fired it up to test alignment by eye on the stand this afternoon. Alignment is spot on at 63.3 MM. I added shims for float so I could watch the clutch move in an out as it went thru its travel on the stand. Only floats away from the bearing or inside shim by about 1mm or so and only at an idle. So I'm able to remove the float shims and lock it down to the bearing for no float with confidence that lineup is perfect there.

This Team clutch is QUIET!!! It makes no noise whatsoever and is quite a change from the Rattlebox Yamaha Primary. I'm really liking this peace and quiet, and quite amazed how much better the machine sounds! I hope it performs just as well. I'd bet it does. I think its worth it alone just for getting rid of the noise the Yamaha primary made.

Team setup is going to pull easily 3-4% more OD from the looks of things along with lower ratio at the start too. Also, no belt deflection worries, its always tight no matter the wear or belt stretch. I figure I now have the better drive clutch from the Cat and the better secondary from the Yamaha. The best of both from the factory 998 world. Now to fine tune it. Just need snow or a trip north.

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Nice work Mike!

 

[ClutchMaster]

I can’t wait for the results! Every other forum dreams about having threads this good!

Thanks Knapp!

PS I see your running the white dalton driven

 

[KnappAttack]

I can’t wait for the results! Every other forum dreams about having threads this good!

Thanks Knapp!

PS I see your running the white dalton driven

I can't wait to get it on the trail either.

Yes, White Dalton secondary spring set at 9-1. With a bunch more information now after testing the Secondary springs how I did. Takes the guesswork out of it and can move forward with greater first hand knowledge on how they will react when making a change to torsion settings.

Had more machining on the helix's than I expected for this setup, but didn't want to compromise the strength of the secondary itself by machining the steel flanges off the hub as I believe the sheave is cast around the steel shaft itself.

 

[Doowithblue]

That setup reminds me of how i used to clutch my rt. Great work Mike. How it should've been from factory.

 

[Crossfire12]

Love that tight belt!!!

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Not sure if I missed it Mike, What belt are you running now with TEAM?

Also, with the Dalton white, what is your 'break' tension?

Man this looks great, and hearing how quiet it idles(alone) makes me want one! It was so cold here the last ride I did not bother with my iPod tunes, and ran that day listening to the sled for first time in a long time, and holy crap the stock primary is one loud rattler....and at idle its downright embarrassing.

Anxious for you to pile some miles on this setup!

Great work Mike
Dan

 

[KnappAttack]

Love that tight belt!!!

I really do too! Got the best of the Cat up front and the best of the Yamaha in the back. We know the Team Boss secondary is not up to the task and the winder primary not up to the task. So, put the best of both together. Hopeful it performs, runs cool and lasts. I really like what I see so far!

Not sure if I missed it Mike, What belt are you running now with TEAM?

Also, with the Dalton white, what is your 'break' tension?

Man this looks great, and hearing how quiet it idles(alone) makes me want one! It was so cold here the last ride I did not bother with my iPod tunes, and ran that day listening to the sled for first time in a long time, and holy crap the stock primary is one loud rattler....and at idle its downright embarrassing.

Anxious for you to pile some miles on this setup!

Great work Mike
Dan

Dayco XTX5060 belt, which was a bit shorter than the Cat 104 belt requiring more helix machining that I had expected. Noticed on the Cat forum the Dayco XTX showed far and away superior performance before failure over the Carlisle XS or the Gates Carbon on testing performed by Turboflash . Also supposed to be better than the Cat belts too. We'll see how it works here. Figure can always try something different down the road if need be.

https://www.hardcoresledder.com/for...de-ice-picks-280hp-flash-short-belt-life.html

Didn't test the break tension as I feel its a moot point with the compression testing I did. Read my earlier posts above, you can see when I changed the tension how it affected the compression testing on the scale. I set the Dalton White at 9-1 for now and about equal to the EPI purple at 1-0 which was 24.5# of break.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I really do too! Got the best of the Cat up front and the best of the Yamaha in the back. We know the Team Boss secondary is not up to the task and the winder primary not up to the task. So, put the best of both together. Hopeful it performs, runs cool and lasts. I really like what I see so far!





Dayco XTX5060 belt, which was a bit shorter than the Cat 104 belt requiring more helix machining that I had expected. Noticed on the Cat forum the Dayco XTX showed far and away superior performance before failure over the Carlisle XS or the Gates Carbon on testing performed by Turboflash . Also supposed to be better than the Cat belts too. We'll see how it works here. Figure can always try something different down the road if need be.

https://www.hardcoresledder.com/for...de-ice-picks-280hp-flash-short-belt-life.html

Didn't test the break tension as I feel its a moot point with the compression testing I did. Read my earlier posts above, you can see when I changed the tension how it affected the compression testing on the scale. I set the Dalton White at 9-1 for now and about equal to the EPI purple at 1-0 which was 24.5# of break.

Thanks, yeah sorry I am not caught up on the entire thread, looks like very methodical work Mike.

Yeah I had been following Turboflash's thread on the Dayco.

 

[Wingwong]

I really do too! Got the best of the Cat up front and the best of the Yamaha in the back. We know the Team Boss secondary is not up to the task and the winder primary not up to the task. So, put the best of both together. Hopeful it performs, runs cool and lasts. I really like what I see so far!





Dayco XTX5060 belt, which was a bit shorter than the Cat 104 belt requiring more helix machining that I had expected. Noticed on the Cat forum the Dayco XTX showed far and away superior performance before failure over the Carlisle XS or the Gates Carbon on testing performed by Turboflash . Also supposed to be better than the Cat belts too. We'll see how it works here. Figure can always try something different down the road if need be.

https://www.hardcoresledder.com/for...de-ice-picks-280hp-flash-short-belt-life.html

Didn't test the break tension as I feel its a moot point with the compression testing I did. Read my earlier posts above, you can see when I changed the tension how it affected the compression testing on the scale. I set the Dalton White at 9-1 for now and about equal to the EPI purple at 1-0 which was 24.5# of break.

Hey Knappattack,
Do you have a video at idle?
Would love to hear it

 

[KnappAttack]

Hey Knappattack,
Do you have a video at idle?
Would love to hear it

I can do a vid, and would love to, but would have no idea how to put it up here. Just imagine how quiet it is taking the clutch completely off the crankshaft and driving it that way. There is just flat out no clutch noises with the Team at all! It sounds sooooo smooth and nice!

Now my Yamaha clutch had extreme noise. Idle and all the way up to 5-5100 RPM even when on the trail, and it was in pristine shape with o-rings on the roller bolts and everything done to try and quiet it down.

 

[Doowithblue]

All that rattling at 9000rpms can contribute to bad harmonics i would imagine.