Dalton New products.

[WinterWolf]

What spring did you put in your primary?? Are they both(spring and Weights) from Dalton?? Did the Spring and Weights that you changed bring the engagement RPM up??? I know the stock clutching on these winders has them engaging very low...what seems to be not far off of idle.

 

[Turbo Dynamics]

With a spring and weight change(dalton) in the primary it was a world better. I am interested in the new secondary spring that Dale has come with as I believe that it did over shift off the hop from loss of grip and more side load should help that situation. I have mine stock still and to be honest with just clutching I was running side by side with a well setup eco tuned 1100 with mod stock exhaust(230 hp). I was able to get mine on the dyno and it made 208 hp(500 miles on speedo) where the eco version made 229 with mod exhuast and TD version 19 on eco. I broke it in as I have many and that was up and down through rpm range to 50 miles on and beat it hard on the drag strip/lake to get rings properly seated from there on for a full day. You can actually feel the thing getting faster as it breaks in and I hit 121 with 500 miles on the speedo and this was on gps with 125 on the speedo. In perfect conditions it would have been faster. Best sled I have owned so far for this and how smooth and fast it is in all conditions. The other thing I like is how repeatable it is back to back many times without dropoff where the 1100 was get hot and speeds drop and belts go bang.

Jester

The motor itself makes power right away and breaks in very fast. I broke in both my sleds within a few minutes of idling and varying throttle on the stand. Then right away full throttle on the dyno.
And the motors are perfectly sealed under power (zero pcv bypass).

What will definitely break in though, is the track itself, as it stretches and gets much easier to turn with less resistance. That's probably where you got your extra MPH after running it for a while.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

What spring did you put in your primary?? Are they both(spring and Weights) from Dalton?? Did the Spring and Weights that you changed bring the engagement RPM up??? I know the stock clutching on these winders has them engaging very low...what seems to be not far off of idle.

Black/Blue Dalton Primary spring works well...53/133kg.

 

[WinterWolf]

Black/Blue Dalton Primary spring works well...53/133kg.

If you just change the primary spring and the secondary spring ....and keep the weights stock, and helix stock, is this going to improve performance at all...help with coil bind and increase engagement RPM??

 

[ROCKERDAN]

If you just change the primary spring and the secondary spring ....and keep the weights stock, and helix stock, is this going to improve performance at all...help with coil bind and increase engagement RPM??

It wont work well.....

The only thing you can likely do alone would be the secondary spring. It will help with sec coil bind and give more rpms down low.

If you change the primary spring to something that is not close in rate to stock, then your rpms wont be right. And also this has alot to do with if you are stock HP or flashed.

Not many tuners like the stock YAM weights, they are FLAT Profile and much heavier, while most all aftermarket are curved more to "act"heavier, yet are lighter overall...and also can be adjusted.

Pics..... comparo of Stock SW weight to a Dalton 70g.

 

[WinterWolf]

Great info Dan...thank you for the lesson!!

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I have used many weights over the years, and Daltons are the easiest, fastest to add/remove slugs, and the only ones I know of that dont require any removal of anything to adjust. Nice design.

I think I may try the STMS this season, and that is mainly cause I am going to go from STOCK HP to big HP later, and will need a weight that can add alot of weight. The Daltons are better for guys who will stick to a HP range that is closer.

Dan

 

[Moodeyblue]

It wont work well.....

The only thing you can likely do alone would be the secondary spring. It will help with sec coil bind and give more rpms down low.

If you change the primary spring to something that is not close in rate to stock, then your rpms wont be right. And also this has alot to do with if you are stock HP or flashed.

Not many tuners like the stock YAM weights, they are FLAT Profile and much heavier, while most all aftermarket are curved more to "act"heavier, yet are lighter overall...and also can be adjusted.

Pics..... comparo of Stock SW weight to a Dalton 70g.


Dan, can you comment on the engagement RPM with this set up. I want to raise it higher than stock. thanks

 

[DMCTurbo]

It wont work well.....

The only thing you can likely do alone would be the secondary spring. It will help with sec coil bind and give more rpms down low.

If you change the primary spring to something that is not close in rate to stock, then your rpms wont be right. And also this has alot to do with if you are stock HP or flashed.

Not many tuners like the stock YAM weights, they are FLAT Profile and much heavier, while most all aftermarket are curved more to "act"heavier, yet are lighter overall...and also can be adjusted.

Pics..... comparo of Stock SW weight to a Dalton 70g.


Dan, can you comment on the engagement RPM with this set up. I want to raise it higher than stock. thanks

You want to find a spring with a higher start rate and similar finish rate. Example if the stock spring is 50kg start/130kg finish you would want something like a 55kg start and 130kg finish rate.

 

[WinterWolf]

You want to find a spring with a higher start rate and similar finish rate. Example if the stock spring is 50kg start/130kg finish you would want something like a 55kg start and 130kg finish rate.

Is that in reference to the secondary spring? Or the primary spring?

 

[DMCTurbo]

Is that in reference to the secondary spring? Or the primary spring?

Primary

 

[ROCKERDAN]

It wont work well.....

The only thing you can likely do alone would be the secondary spring. It will help with sec coil bind and give more rpms down low.

If you change the primary spring to something that is not close in rate to stock, then your rpms wont be right. And also this has alot to do with if you are stock HP or flashed.

Not many tuners like the stock YAM weights, they are FLAT Profile and much heavier, while most all aftermarket are curved more to "act"heavier, yet are lighter overall...and also can be adjusted.

Pics..... comparo of Stock SW weight to a Dalton 70g.


Dan, can you comment on the engagement RPM with this set up. I want to raise it higher than stock. thanks

The stock primary is 55/105kg. If you dont change the weights, you would go to a higher initial rate and similar finish rate to get the engagement up.

When going to a aftermarket weight, you can adjust the weight location within the lever itself.

Yam Primary Spring Chart

 

[DMCTurbo]

Anyone know ulmers pink primary spring rate he sells in his sidewinder kit?

 

[WinterWolf]

Got my secondary rollers today from T.D.

Thinking about getting the Dalton Black orange spring for the secondary. Would it be a smart move to get a Dalton Helix too to avoid the problem of all 3 Rollers not touching the stock Helix?? Or not??

What Dalton Helix is closest to the stock Yamaha Sidewinders secondary Helix? Really didn't want to change too many things right off the bat with the clutching. But also don't want any issues with coil bind and flat spotting rollers either.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Anyone know ulmers pink primary spring rate he sells in his sidewinder kit?

I was just wondering same thing.....Im gonna grab some 60ys weights and am considering just grabbing Allens stage 1 kit since its the 60ys weights plus pink spring for just abit more then weights alone....

I just hate stuff that comes in Kits as you never know rates/angles ect....so I was just gonna run the spring I have always liked blue dalton 53/133kg but sorta want to try Allens pink.

I wondered if it might just be a Yam (pk/pk/pk) which if you look at chart is 30/129kg. Maybe you can measure it(83.4mm) and compare free length, or just email Allen, I have been waiting for a reply from him myself.

Dan