Relax! Yamaha is not lying Down.

[Deeppow16]

TARZAN!!!!!

Who worries about weight when your sled can fly?

This video ain't a good comparison. I'm sure you have seen the 509 videos? Do you see how far those 2 strokes fly? Another question is how many 4 strokes do you see in those videos? Why does every pro rider ride a 2 stroke? They just lost another rider. Brook Hoyer rode Yamaha and now he rides a 2 stroke.

 

[cannondale27]

No trees either! LOL

 

[Deeppow16]

No trees either! LOL

Yup I can tell you first hand its so much easier riding a 2s through the trees then a 4s. Sure it can be done and I have done it but its much more enjoyable on my 2s.

 

[Wannaviper]

I think Clutchmaster's videos are incredible, and I watched them, the whole time wishing that I had the ability and the opportunity to experience backcountry riding like that. No doubt a comparable 2-stroke sled would have been lighter and probably easier to maneuver, but that was still awesome to watch, and having 270 hp under your thumb must be quite an experience in and of itself.

Let us all hope that somewhere in Yamaha's most secret recesses, there is a 4-stroke engine on the boards that is comparable in size, weight and horsepower to today's 2-stroke engines. Maybe that is an impossibility, but if it is possible, Yamaha would own the snowmobile world, off-trail and on, and probably most of the rest of the powersports' world as well.

 

[ClutchMaster]

No trees either! LOL

PAY ATTENTION

 

[cannondale27]

PAY ATTENTION

He is on a trail for crying out loud!

 

[Deeppow16]

I think Clutchmaster's videos are incredible, and I watched them, the whole time wishing that I had the ability and the opportunity to experience backcountry riding like that. No doubt a comparable 2-stroke sled would have been lighter and probably easier to maneuver, but that was still awesome to watch, and having 270 hp under your thumb must be quite an experience in and of itself.

Let us all hope that somewhere in Yamaha's most secret recesses, there is a 4-stroke engine on the boards that is comparable in size, weight and horsepower to today's 2-stroke engines. Maybe that is an impossibility, but if it is possible, Yamaha would own the snowmobile world, off-trail and on, and probably most of the rest of the powersports' world as well.

They would have to figure out a lot for the backcountry segment. One of the biggest issues I hated when I owned a 4 stroke was the ability to run upside down. My sled spends a fair amount of time flipped track side up. If you ride the backcountry you will know that. Sometimes the easiest way to get a sled unstuck is to roll them over. Well 4 strokes don't like to run upside down and I was always worried about that. Yes I wear a tether but if you are close to the sled the tether doesn't always pull off. When you roll them over they puke oil out of the air box and yes they have solutions to that but I would rather not deal with that. IMO this will hold 4 strokes back in the backcountry.

 

[Deeppow16]

PAY ATTENTION

There ain't a tree within a 100ft.

 

[ClutchMaster]

This video ain't a good comparison. I'm sure you have seen the 509 videos? Do you see how far those 2 strokes fly? Another question is how many 4 strokes do you see in those videos? Why does every pro rider ride a 2 stroke? They just lost another rider. Brook Hoyer rode Yamaha and now he rides a 2 stroke.

Yea a two stroke with a turbo.

 

[ClutchMaster]

If they don’t make it, quit whining and make your own.

 

[ClutchMaster]

Yea it’s got triples

 

[Wannaviper]

They would have to figure out a lot for the backcountry segment. One of the biggest issues I hated when I owned a 4 stroke was the ability to run upside down. My sled spends a fair amount of time flipped track side up. If you ride the backcountry you will know that. Sometimes the easiest way to get a sled unstuck is to roll them over. Well 4 strokes don't like to run upside down and I was always worried about that. Yes I wear a tether but if you are close to the sled the tether doesn't always pull off. When you roll them over they puke oil out of the air box and yes they have solutions to that but I would rather not deal with that. IMO this will hold 4 strokes back in the backcountry.

I cringe at the thought of intentionally rolling my Viper or Sidewinder over, but I have tall windshields and mirrors. Obviously to appeal to the backcountry market, there would need to be an effective roll over valve on the mountain sleds. I still think that if Yamaha designed a lightweight/compact four stroke engine, it would be like "Field of Dreams," build it and they will come! Maybe its impossible, but more importantly, it seems like Yamaha doesn't even have the desire to try.

 

[cannondale27]

I think it’s possible. Maybe not weight wise so much but height wise. They made front to back balance in air perfect. Just need the engine height much lower. Really sucks sidehilling these compared to even the old 2st ProCross. A Alpha is just crazy easy to Sidehill even at slow speed and light throttle.

 

[Dr. FeeLGooD]

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If they don’t make it, quit whining and make your own.

I had a stock one of these. Loved it. Nice sound.

 

[Monster Max]

Well I ride in western BC, and the 4 strokes do just fine in the powder. I have never had a problem with the rollover and oil and I have being riding in the mountains since 03 with the 4’s...I have ridden all of the newest mountain 2s sleds and the weight difference is nice, but the power is not as fun for the riding we do. I do wish Yamaha would have released the 2020 mountain max, even if it would be just an Alpha cat...Like to see more yami’s Riding in the hills.

Now there is not much stock on my nytro. Stage2 super and a 174 x 3