SRX vs 2022 Mach Z

[TPAY243]

Well I guess if you feel froggy you better jump then.

 

[Motorhead]

I think the new Doo with all it’s hype, is great for the sport. Has us all talking about something that will go toe to toe with a 998 for a distance. Holy #*$&@ man, it took 5 years for another manufacturer to compete, and with that I say good for Doo, whereas they have brought a lot of innovation and ergonomic features in years past to the table, and now they have a model that is really getting some Doo heads excited. Kinda what happened in 2017 when Yamacat first introduce their 998 lineup. Most powerful and fastest production snowmobile ever back then, and once they start placing this new 900T motor on dynos, it may come close or surpass that past claim. Time will tell, but one thing is for sure, these 998s with simple tunes and all that go with it, will certainly run with them, and have all of them thinking when they spot an old Winder or SRX, “I wonder what tune is under that hood” !

So yes, very happy for the Doo guys with all of their excitement, you see, I was there in 2017, and still am now!
See ya on the trails next year!

 

[STAIN]

That Cat with its "zero deflection" clutch setup and 24/50 gearing was just about as snappy corner to corner as my TUNED Winder! That has always stuck in my head.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "ZERO deflection" clutch set up. Cat is on to something there. Those belts are banjo string tight and have no belt problems. I ride with 2 T-cats and when they where stock they had very good throttle response. They are both at 240ss SM right now and are STRONG trail sleds.
It makes one wonder if their new clutch works well and doesn't crack like the TEAM set up, will it be a viable option for the Winders?

 

[jonlafon1]

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "ZERO deflection" clutch set up. Cat is on to something there. Those belts are banjo string tight and have no belt problems. I ride with 2 T-cats and when they where stock they had very good throttle response. They are both at 240ss SM right now and are STRONG trail sleds.
It makes one wonder if their new clutch works well and doesn't crack like the TEAM set up, will it be a viable option for the Winders?

I will be watching these new clutches from Cat for sure.. This was my first year with the Team stuff as I have a 21 Cat 8000.. I actually thought the Teams were damn good.. I got 1200 miles on it, needs a different helix but the Cat clutching was good on the 8000.. IF the new Cat clutches can run on tuned Thunder cats that will be huge for CAT.. I still like the Yamaha secondary better though.

 

[STAIN]

I still like the Yamaha secondary better though.

Me too. I don't like how the Cat secondary mounts to the shaft. I like the simplicity of the Yamaha design.

 

[TPAY243]

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "ZERO deflection" clutch set up. Cat is on to something there. Those belts are banjo string tight and have no belt problems. I ride with 2 T-cats and when they where stock they had very good throttle response. They are both at 240ss SM right now and are STRONG trail sleds.
It makes one wonder if their new clutch works well and doesn't crack like the TEAM set up, will it be a viable option for the Winders?

I think the lower gearing has more to do with it than anything my 14 Viper had 24/50 gearing stock from the factory that thing was a blast to drive on the trails.

 

[74Nitro]

Dan, you are NOT going to get snap from that Mach. 1, It has lag and everyone knows it does. BRP may have tried to mask it, but everyone that has ridden it says its still there. 2. With the SS shocks, it is NOT going to let it transfer the way it should for a snappy feel.

My Predication with new Cat clutches and 24/50 gearing, the TCAT will beat the new MachZ from bottom to top. In a 1000 feet, the 998 TCAT beats every sled out todate. Just look at the times (Not mph) from 2020. This was run on snow and a cold day. This year, it was run in mud and 55 degrees out and the 850's were stronger, but still no even close to the TCAT and the 2021 TCAT had a 1.25" track, but in 2020 it had the 1" ripsaw. The Sidewinder did not have an entry for 2021. Why do you think they added the Launch Control to the MachZ?

I think you are on a hope and prayer for this to be the best performance sled you ever bought, but IMO, you are going to be let down. I hope its a success, but I believe BRP is NOT telling the truth so far and probably should have engineered a new engine if they wanted to compete and/or slaughter the 998. They had 4 years to get this done and too me, it looks like the bean counters through engineering a bone and they are scrambling to piece it together.
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The T-Cat in stock form is very impressive. It holds over a second advantage in 1000ft. I don't think adding 30HP will be enough to overcome that deficit.

 

[SledFreak]

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "ZERO deflection" clutch set up. Cat is on to something there. Those belts are banjo string tight and have no belt problems. I ride with 2 T-cats and when they where stock they had very good throttle response. They are both at 240ss SM right now and are STRONG trail sleds.
It makes one wonder if their new clutch works well and doesn't crack like the TEAM set up, will it be a viable option for the Winders?

I can tell you this... My TCAT with the gearing 24/50 and the Team clutches works like very 2 strokish like out of the hole. Its very snappy down low compared to other 4 strokes I have ever owned. The belt is bango tight, so it starts off in a much lower gear per say. The roller bearing Primary was a brilliant idea. I don't have a belt issues or alignment issues. I think it Yamamarc went 10,000KM on the original belt on 300HP!! However, Cat did have issues on the cracking of them, so there is room for improvement. I think the new design for CAT looks to be even better. Its supposed to be even better for acceleration over the TEAM and it still has the Roller bearing. Time will tell if they made it even more dependable. The one thing I noticed is they may have changed the gearing for 2022 to a 22/48 gearing, but I am still waiting for confirmation of it, it could be an error on the spec sheet online.

 

[74Nitro]

I can tell you this... My TCAT with the gearing 24/50 and the Team clutches works like very 2 strokish like out of the hole. Its very snappy down low compared to other 4 strokes I have ever owned. The belt is bango tight, so it starts off in a much lower gear per say. The roller bearing Primary was a brilliant idea. I don't have a belt issues or alignment issues. I think it Yamamarc went 10,000KM on the original belt on 300HP!! However, Cat did have issues on the cracking of them, so there is room for improvement. I think the new design for CAT looks to be even better. Its supposed to be even better for acceleration over the TEAM and it still has the Roller bearing. Time will tell if they made it even more dependable. The one thing I noticed is they may have changed the gearing for 2022 to a 22/48 gearing, but I am still waiting for confirmation of it, it could be an error on the spec sheet online.

Hard to believe they would go any lower than 24/50, which is already on the low side.

 

[Richard Hodgins]

Agreed on everything that has been said here with Cat vs winder clutching. Tuned cats with the team clutches have a lot more pull and responsiveness than winders. I haven't had any issues with the cat clutches. Have 17000kms now. I changed the primary for preventative maintenance at 14000. It still worked fine, no cracks, but roller bushings worn.

I am curious about the Mach 900r motor as well. But I just don't see it competing with the 998. There is no top end on those sleds! Plus the twitchy handling doesn't help either. To each their own, it some people want to switch. The 998 will still be king in my opinion once tuned.

 

[Sledroll]

I think the lower gearing has more to do with it than anything my 14 Viper had 24/50 gearing stock from the factory that thing was a blast to drive on the trails.

I agree about the gearing.
Don't understand the banjo string comment ??
Isn't a CVT a CVT , and its either engaged or it isn't .
If it's banjo tight it is creeping or flattening the belt .
Just trying to understand if there is a difference .

 

[jonlafon1]

I agree about the gearing.
Don't understand the banjo string comment ??
Isn't a CVT a CVT , and its either engaged or it isn't .
If it's banjo tight it is creeping or flattening the belt .
Just trying to understand if there is a difference .

So the banjo tight comment is referring to the belt deflection on the Cats.. The primary clutch has a idler bearing where the belt sits at idle. Not the sheaves but the middle shaft is wear the belt sits(bearing). The belt is extremely tight in the Cat clutches, and this bearing allows this to happen. So the clutching starts(engages) in a very low gear so to speak because of the tight belt.

 

[74Nitro]

Agreed on everything that has been said here with Cat vs winder clutching. Tuned cats with the team clutches have a lot more pull and responsiveness than winders. I haven't had any issues with the cat clutches. Have 17000kms now. I changed the primary for preventative maintenance at 14000. It still worked fine, no cracks, but roller bushings worn.

I am curious about the Mach 900r motor as well. But I just don't see it competing with the 998. There is no top end on those sleds! Plus the twitchy handling doesn't help either. To each their own, it some people want to switch. The 998 will still be king in my opinion once tuned.

An all-new Cat clutch for next year.

 

[jonlafon1]

 

[number1kyster]

I may have to try 24/50 next season. I'm rarely going over 110.

I always liked the lower gearing on my 2007 Apex RTX compared to the rest of the Apex sleds.