Yamaha Cutting Production for 2019

[stevewithOCD]

There are certain areas i ride where it is mostly Yamaha. The County & Rangeley Maine are examples of big fast trails with people who put on BIG miles. My bud, SEARGE on TY, puts on 5-8000 miles per year & it ain't on a 2-stroke.

Vermont, New Hampshire & parts of Canada are almost ALL Doos. Just sayin'....

 

[20/80]

i think we will see a new chassis in a year or 2....as for 160hp sled i dont see it, i dont think the market is there at all i see very few apexs now a days. I love that motor and sound tho but the majority of sleds around here are ski doos or cat/vipers. I dont feel the chassis is to old really, when you get them dialed in i much perfer this to riding my buddies 16 doo....and well polaris i cant get over the fisherprice plastic handle bar controls and looks really.

As for turbos ive had 4 turbo cars and plenty mods on them and ive never had a turbo issue and i usually push them very hard.....its a reliable power source in this day and age, just look at the cat 1100ts i really havent heard many having turbo issues who werent way turned up. Most people would argue that 4 stroke is to complicated over 2 stroke so 2 stroke is a better choice, but seeing none of my buddies 2 strokes have lasted as long as my cat/viper id say technology has improved and 4 stroke, efi has become rock solid nearly. I only have 6000 miles but ive never had starter issues or any issue with my sled aside from bogging with stock muffler.

... im guilty of not liking change as well, i think the winder nose looks way worse then the viper its just we like what we like....i hope both yamaha and cat keep doing what they are doing because its making some amazing sleds and its on a upword swing and i look forward to more to come

I believe there is more to come from Yamaha in the way of there own chassis design, Yamaha takes little steps and slowly adds new tech into proven older chassis for improvements, when you see this happening something new is coming from Yamaha, the Cat deal..why the hell not make money on both sides of the fence, the Cat /Viper chassis is getting dated now though some changes coming there, the side winder is just window dressing to cover up the cutting of the Apex, they shoe horned a big engine in a old Cat chassis, the Apex might have been a tank but the sidewinder is a tank with a turbo. you are going to see a H.O turbo 4 stroke sled from Polaris soon.

 

[XP123]

There may be a new chassis coming but it won't be from Yamaha alone. I would bet it will be a joint effort between Cat and Yamaha. This new chassis will be designed around Yamaha three cylinder engines not Suzuki twins. You will see lower engine placements and better quality throughout. This is just my speculation not fact. I like the fact that Cat is involved because they know how to build a chassis that rides and handles better than anything Yamaha has had for as long as I can remember.

 

[20/80]

There may be a new chassis coming but it won't be from Yamaha alone. I would bet it will be a joint effort between Cat and Yamaha. This new chassis will be designed around Yamaha three cylinder engines not Suzuki twins. You will see lower engine placements and better quality throughout. This is just my speculation not fact. I like the fact that Cat is involved because they know how to build a chassis that rides and handles better than anything Yamaha has had for as long as I can remember.

You maybe right but Textron is now in control and they have there own idea's in what direction there sled division is going, back in the day Textron was involved with Polaris and nearly shut that company down if it wasn't for the employee's coming together and buying the shares Polaris would have been broken up and sold by Textron, hopefully history won't repeat itself but sometimes it does.

 

[Big_Phil]

For all these guys saying Yamaha needs a 160hp N\A triple, why do you think this engine would be any lighter than the turbo 998 motor? Maybe save 5 lbs? Its like when people say a 600cc sled is lighter and more nimble than an 800 of the same model. Makes no sense.

The nytro/viper motor can make more power if you rev it higher, but then you would need a gear reduction like the apex to keep the clutch rpms down. This adds weight/cost. Never going to happen.

 

[20/80]

Yamaha among other brands are going to put themselves out of business with the prices they have listed for new sleds, just over 20k taxes in for a sidewinder here on the east coast of Canada, that's getting a bit much on pricing only the rich will be able to afford a new sled, this alone will drive people out of the sport which is bad news for dealers and snowmobile clubs, even the used sleds are pricey now with a lot of miles on them and you are pretty much rolling the dice with a used one if you don't know who owned the sled, something has to give or our sport will slowly parish.

 

[ccmviper]

They need a sled to replace the Viper they are phasing out.Right now they have nothing to replace my Viper mtx with when the time to upgrade comes.I'm not going heavier and I'm not paying $20000 + so the Sidewinder is out.160 hp $14-16000 is the sweet spot.

 

[20/80]

They need a sled to replace the Viper they are phasing out.Right now they have nothing to replace my Viper mtx with when the time to upgrade comes.I'm not going heavier and I'm not paying $20000 + so the Sidewinder is out.160 hp $14-16000 is the sweet spot.

Yeah I hear ya, the way sleds are being priced today in a couple of years you will pay 14-16000 for a phazer mtx , dam near pay that now with taxes in, isn't that awful.

 

[ccmviper]

Yeah I hear ya, the way sleds are being priced today in a couple of years you will pay 14-16000 for a phazer mtx , dam near pay that now with taxes in, isn't that awful.

It's too much.I buy non current or demos to get the cost down.

 

[20/80]

It's too much.I buy non current or demos to get the cost down.

I will be hanging on to mine for a while, the higher prices for sleds now a days i'm thinking a lot more snowmobilers will be doing the same, hard on the dealers but there hands are tied to, to bad Yamaha wouldn't put out a 100-11ohp trail sled 141 inch track with 1.5 inch lug, premium shock package wide enough to be very stable, rider forward seating with lots of comfort, lots of storage, great fuel economy in a all new bad #*$&@ looking Yamaha built lightweight chassis for around 10-$11000.

 

[Big_Phil]

Yamaha among other brands are going to put themselves out of business with the prices they have listed for new sleds, just over 20k taxes in for a sidewinder here on the east coast of Canada, that's getting a bit much on pricing only the rich will be able to afford a new sled, this alone will drive people out of the sport which is bad news for dealers and snowmobile clubs, even the used sleds are pricey now with a lot of miles on them and you are pretty much rolling the dice with a used one if you don't know who owned the sled, something has to give or our sport will slowly parish.

Sure, youre talking about the top of the line sled. Of course its going to cost that much, you cant build it for less than that. I bought a demo 17 sidewinder rtx le for 13200+ 500 freight + hst and license. I wouldnt have bought it if i had to pay msrp (19499 +freight pdi and tax).

A friend of mine just picked up a non current zr7000 brand new for 10300 otd price including all taxes and fees. The skidoo 600 sport sleds are under 9grand canadain I think. Polaris indy is around the same price. Thers lots of deals to be had if you look, but as long as people keep spring ordering sleds at the current prices, why would the manufactures lower prices?

 

[trailtamer]

I told the Yamaha Rep that was at Novi about my love/hate relationship with my Yamaha Viper. He was concerned, but didn't have any real answers (not surprised). I also told him if they could get a yammie powered direct injected 2 stroke (700 triple is my wish) in a cat chassis that there would be a line out the door with sales. I think a lot riders, not all, are looking for reliability and longevity in an engine vs. sheer power. Yamaha has the technology, they just need to use it.

 

[20/80]

Sure, youre talking about the top of the line sled. Of course its going to cost that much, you cant build it for less than that. I bought a demo 17 sidewinder rtx le for 13200+ 500 freight + hst and license. I wouldnt have bought it if i had to pay msrp (19499 +freight pdi and tax).

A friend of mine just picked up a non current zr7000 brand new for 10300 otd price including all taxes and fees. The skidoo 600 sport sleds are under 9grand canadain I think. Polaris indy is around the same price. Thers lots of deals to be had if you look, but as long as people keep spring ordering sleds at the current prices, why would the manufactures lower prices?

You got a good deal on the rtx because the track is to short for the power, there is a couple rtx's at my dealer he trying to sell at cost every body wants the longer tracks to handle the power, i'm not a big fan of the cat chassis no matter how good they ride, lots of chain case issues and chassis twist, buddy of mine has a viper xtx we always carry extra fuel when we ride his 7.5 litre ropex gas caddy twisted his rear chassis on his xtx where it was mounted how's that for quality and we don't ride hard by any means, Yamaha should follow Ski doo and Polaris's pricing and build a sled in the 100-110hp and put it in a Yamaha built chassis.

 

[savageman69]

You got a good deal on the rtx because the track is to short for the power, there is a couple rtx's at my dealer he trying to sell at cost every body wants the longer tracks to handle the power, i'm not a big fan of the cat chassis no matter how good they ride, lots of chain case issues and chassis twist, buddy of mine has a viper xtx we always carry extra fuel when we ride his 7.5 litre ropex gas caddy twisted his rear chassis on his xtx where it was mounted how's that for quality and we don't ride hard by any means, Yamaha should follow Ski doo and Polaris's pricing and build a sled in the 100-110hp and put it in a Yamaha built chassis.

pffff polaris cant build a 800 engine that lasts....ski doos 800 was no better...my cousin on his second 800 etec engine with half the mileage my sled has and now he has constant injector issues. I dont agree with the "lots" of chaincase issues, most of those so called issues are neglect or inproper tension...6000miles and mine looks brand new inside and i ride pretty hard. 4 of us have procross sleds with lots of miles..none of us have chassis flex issues or chaincase issues. Lets not act like ski doo and polaris dont have issues....all i hear is issues with the 850 etec...fires, belts and even engine failures.

 

[Big_Phil]

You got a good deal on the rtx because the track is to short for the power, there is a couple rtx's at my dealer he trying to sell at cost every body wants the longer tracks to handle the power, i'm not a big fan of the cat chassis no matter how good they ride, lots of chain case issues and chassis twist, buddy of mine has a viper xtx we always carry extra fuel when we ride his 7.5 litre ropex gas caddy twisted his rear chassis on his xtx where it was mounted how's that for quality and we don't ride hard by any means, Yamaha should follow Ski doo and Polaris's pricing and build a sled in the 100-110hp and put it in a Yamaha built chassis.

Ya, you guys have less of a trail system and more snow on the east coast, you guys need the long tracks. On groomed trails and hardpack, the 129 actually hooks up better than the 137 because it actually transfers.

The should make a 100-110 hp sled, but i dont see it. Unless Yamaha uses the Cat 600 motor and rebadges it into a yamaha.